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Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
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Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#72What this says to me is don't bother trying to super overclock a i9-9940X, Intel has already skimmed off the cream from that chip run. It seems kind of scummy, but I guess otherwise your rare stable overclock chip might end up in some boring business server where it will always run at stock clocks. I do note that Intel still wants nothing to do with overclocked chips in their warranty department, even when they did t…
> Intel has already skimmed off the cream from that chip run. ... It seems kind of scummy,
This is just Intel identifying a market and a way to serve it, in order to make some money. They're a business. It's what they do.
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#73Quote from the end: "perhaps importantly, there is no warranty from Intel. This means that system builders will not be able to recoup costs on dead silicon, but they might give their own warranty to end users."
Illegal in >half the world.
You sure? If they sold to end users/consumers yes, but B2B you can exclude a lot.
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It seems kind of scummy how is it scummy? is because intel's efficiently allocating those CPUs (via auction market), rather than randomly giving them out?
It's (a little bit) scummy, because they're selling them on auction, which has a decent chance of flogging them for orders of magnitude more than they'd ordinarily sell them for, with the added bonus that they don't have to honor any warranty stuff since they're going to be clocked to hell.
I don't see the auction itself as scummy. They're absolutely free to do that. It might be a bit scummy that the auction isn't open to everybody. Only a select group of OEM vendors will have access to this. That may also mean it's harder to acquire for benchmark tests.
Furthermore, no warranty could even mean they can get away with selling processors that won't work reliably at the listed speeds. If they were to do that, that'd definitely be scummy.
All things considered, I don't think it's for me.
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's (a little bit) scummy, because they're selling them on auction, which has a decent chance of flogging them for orders of magnitude more than they'd ordinarily sell them for, It seems to me that demand is far higher than supply, thus the auction ensures that those who really want them will have a realistic shot of getting one. That's far better than having to resort to buying them from price-gouging scalpers.
Buying it at inflated prices from Intel effectively rewards them for their inability to produce more. That seems like the wrong incentive to set.
Buying them at inflated prices from Intel rewards Intel for being able to make these at all. If they were able to make more of them, they'd be rewarded more.
Paying the inflated prices to scalpers would reward scalpers for hogging the supply. That would be far worse. If I'm going to pay an inflated price for something, I'd rather use it to reward the person making it than some speculator trying to wrench some profit out of a tight market.
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most circuits trip on current, because I^2R heating is what causes fires in house wiring, 15A is relatively common, to get power you multiply by voltage which varies by country, in US that gives you 1800W and UK it’s 3600W. There are a ton of circuits which aren’t 15A though. If you live in UK, you might note that electric tea kettles work fine, but in the US they do not (they’re too slow). That’s the biggest practic…
It never occurred to me that the voltage difference between America and Europe/Asia would cause a corresponding differences in watt output given the same amps... But yes indeed, US kettles boil much slower. Other appliances that require a lot of juice include vacuum cleaners, electric hobs, space heaters, portable ACs/dehumidifiers. So having something trip a living room circuit pulling just 2000 watts would drive me…
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Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#77Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most circuits trip on current, because I^2R heating is what causes fires in house wiring, 15A is relatively common, to get power you multiply by voltage which varies by country, in US that gives you 1800W and UK it’s 3600W. There are a ton of circuits which aren’t 15A though. If you live in UK, you might note that electric tea kettles work fine, but in the US they do not (they’re too slow). That’s the biggest practic…
It never occurred to me that the voltage difference between America and Europe/Asia would cause a corresponding differences in watt output given the same amps... But yes indeed, US kettles boil much slower. Other appliances that require a lot of juice include vacuum cleaners, electric hobs, space heaters, portable ACs/dehumidifiers. So having something trip a living room circuit pulling just 2000 watts would drive me…
You could imagine it driving you nuts, in my experience trips are rare (once every few years?) unless you love space heaters. Electric ranges (hobs?) run on their own dedicated 240V circuit. As a tradeoff, the plugs are small and convenient; I can fit a phone charger in my pocket, plus the phone and cable—true in Europe, but not the UK. I can also get a power strip with 8 outlets and it won’t take up much space.
A couple days ago I tripped a circuit breaker for the first time in many years. It turns out that the refrigerator shares a circuit with the rest of the kitchen, so when I ran a rice cooker and deep fryer off the same circuit, when the compressor turned on it tripped.
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#79Quote from the end: "perhaps importantly, there is no warranty from Intel. This means that system builders will not be able to recoup costs on dead silicon, but they might give their own warranty to end users."
This would be a pretty significant liability for builders in countries that have automatic consumer protections (eg: Consumer Guarantees Act in NZ). The builders would have to eat the costs of faulty units.
EU has 2y mandatory warranty for any electronics/electrical equipment sold to retail.
Re: Intel Core I9-9990XE: Up to 5.0 GHz, Auction Only
#80255W TDP for a single socket, holy shit, that pretty much demands a 280mm radiator size water cooling loop setup (2 x 140mm fans).
Pfffft, only 280mm? Time to upgrade: https://www.lytron.com/Cooling-Systems/Standard/Recirculatin...