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To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Yeah. What about punishment resulting in emotional injury? All that corporal punishment teaches is that it's OK for the powerful to punish the weak.

All punishment results in emotional injury. That's what punishment means...

Of course. And punishment tends to produce damaged people, who hate themselves because they're bad. Because, you know, they must be bad, because they've been punished. And because they're bad, and hate themselves, they take it out on others, whenever they can get away with it. So it's a recursive cycle of punishment.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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Serious answer: love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. This will solve the problem on every level.

I agree with that being the first and greatest commandment, but it's for individuals. What do we do as a society when other people do not keep that commandment—or more relevantly, the second, to love their neighbor as themselves? Where is the line where we intervene for the sake of others?

Very good comment.

The difference left and right start here though. Sadly.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. What about punishment resulting in emotional injury? All that corporal punishment teaches is that it's OK for the powerful to punish the weak.

All punishment results in emotional injury. That's what punishment means...

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Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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They had 2,000 data points... so they looked at the proportion of points on a given day when there was a report card released the previous day and when there wasn’t. Assuming Saturday’s accounted for, let’s say 20% of the population (blindly assuming) then they had about 400 data points and got a p value of 0.02. I’m assuming they did something to normalize for the number of days because there’s going to be far fewer…

Seems ok to me but the usual problem as pointed by others whether other factors is in play, as most social studies do.

Alcoholic Friday ...

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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> 19 states still allow schools to hit students

As one living in a country that bans parents from hitting their own children, I find that number shocking. Do they actually hit the kids in practice, or is this some left-over regulation from the past (like the French ban on women wearing trousers in Paris that got formally repelled a few years ago)?

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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> 19 states still allow schools to hit students As one living in a country that bans parents from hitting their own children, I find that number shocking. Do they actually hit the kids in practice, or is this some left-over regulation from the past (like the French ban on women wearing trousers in Paris that got formally repelled a few years ago)?

You might be even more shocked if you leave first-world countries.

Human brutality runs deep, and you can still find it displayed openly on the majority of Earth’s land mass.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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How many Fridays follow a report card release vs. those which don't?

If it is the weekly release schedule that I experienced in Elementary School, then this statement is effectively "people beat their kids less on public holidays" which seems much less surprising.

Also, where are schools that do "non-standard" reporting located? This seems like a geographically confounding factor.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All punishment results in emotional injury. That's what punishment means...

Of course. And punishment tends to produce damaged people, who hate themselves because they're bad. Because, you know, they must be bad, because they've been punished. And because they're bad, and hate themselves, they take it out on others, whenever they can get away with it. So it's a recursive cycle of punishment.

Citation needed for that statement. Corporal punishment has been a part of human societies for thousands of years, so you need stronger evidence for such a statement.

Re: To protect kids, don’t send report cards home on Fridays

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> 19 states still allow schools to hit students As one living in a country that bans parents from hitting their own children, I find that number shocking. Do they actually hit the kids in practice, or is this some left-over regulation from the past (like the French ban on women wearing trousers in Paris that got formally repelled a few years ago)?

As a kid, living in a time and State where that was permitted, I found the idea so basically wrong that I made it perfectly clear that day would be my last day if required, as in no holds barred, do what it takes.

Looked that guy right in the eye, ready... told him it was not gonna happen.

It didn't, and I was the only one that it did not happen to.

Let's just say the events that followed after I made that statement were not pretty. But, I also must say I have not experienced that clarity and strength of resolve since.

7th grade. I was scared by it. What the whole scenario triggered. What I was capable of in that moment.

That person transferred to another school system shortly after.

We met again 20 some years later at a wedding reception. Of course we immediately got drinks and caught up. Both of us eager to revisit that time as different, and better people.

I was that serious problem kid, he remarked at how ill equipped the staff were at that time. Was a real mess.

Some laughs and a handshake later, both of us got some much needed closure.

I think when it comes down to basic physical means we have failed as people. It can work. Does sometimes. But there are costs, scars. Not physical ones so much.

But, when it does not work? I really do fear the state of mind I arrived at that day. Unnecessary too. What of others, their states of mind? What happens when they can't process it, or it builds up over repeated events?

Our talk healed both our scars amazingly well. I consider both of us lucky in that respect.

Edit: I had it super rough as a kid. Turned out fine after middle school though. Was a mess like I said. I did gain something high value. I can often reach troubled kids. I have been in very dark, scary places. And I, at times, had little to no meaningful help.

It was another person reached me. That is what does the real work, and it does not require beatings to accomplish.

It does require understanding. That is harder than a beating, but far more potent.

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