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Thunderbird in 2019

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Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Post by biomene »

kuon wrote: post #38

I love thunderbird because it's the only email client that does everything I want. I tried CLI clients, they are great and customizable, but CLI is a bit bare for email (images, html, fonts...) Things I'd like to see improved: - Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars). - Native PGP. - Better search, the UI is horrible and the search string is hard to get right (need fu…

I’ve switched to MailMate after years of thunderbird and am very happy with it. It ticks all the boxes you mention.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Post by amaccuish »

kuon wrote: post #38

I love thunderbird because it's the only email client that does everything I want. I tried CLI clients, they are great and customizable, but CLI is a bit bare for email (images, html, fonts...) Things I'd like to see improved: - Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars). - Native PGP. - Better search, the UI is horrible and the search string is hard to get right (need fu…

> Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars).

This would have been great about 5 years ago, and still would be useful, but I think we're going in the direction of unified protocols, like ActiveSync, JMAP, MAPI/EWS etc.

IMHO x-DAV should have been there from day one. I'm using SOGo for my family's groupware and although SOGo provide plugins for Thunderbird, I've been missing an integrated, seamless approach.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Post by scarejunba »

RealDinosaur wrote: post #39
bertman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What I would love to see is a small team in Mozilla create a spin-off Electron app Now this is something you don't read everyday on Hacker News...

With such downvotes, I start to think electron hate is a cult.

Haha, it absolutely is. Thunderbird’s engine is not really that different in its core ideas.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Post by intertextuality »

ben509 wrote: post #67
RealDinosaur wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hence the spin-off app. A ground-up, UX focused app which does not have to meet feature parity, would attract users who are already confused by email clients. This is a different target audience to the people who typically use Thunderbird at this time. For some people Apple Mail is enough.

TBH, anyone I interact with who is tech savvy doesn't use email, so I really don't need those features.

On the other hand, I find slack and its ilk terrible compared to email.

Plenty of people I know use that at work, but email is really nice, and I love the features Thunderbird has.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Post by robert_foss »

biomene wrote: post #71
kuon wrote: post #38

I love thunderbird because it's the only email client that does everything I want. I tried CLI clients, they are great and customizable, but CLI is a bit bare for email (images, html, fonts...) Things I'd like to see improved: - Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars). - Native PGP. - Better search, the UI is horrible and the search string is hard to get right (need fu…

I’ve switched to MailMate after years of thunderbird and am very happy with it. It ticks all the boxes you mention.

MailMate is OSX only and proprietary, which kind of makes it a very different beast.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Post by DonHopkins »

martinald wrote: post #34
monksy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electron apps are usually pretty terrible. They have issues with: 1. Memory usage and cpu usage (you're running a browser to run your application) 2. Platform look and feel (doesn't exist in javascript) 3. Platform and windowing behaviors. I agree with the other commented to you.. if it changed to electronic, I would drop it as well.

Considering Thunderbird uses XUL and JavaScript, it has all the same problems.

Plus the wee existential problem that its platform is going away, instead of improving.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Post by amaccuish »

amaccuish wrote: post #16
shmerl wrote: post #14

I recently discovered this add-on: * https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/tbsyn... * https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/eas-4... An actual working atcivesync support for calendar and contacts. With Exchange being still very pervasive in corporate environments, it's quite useful.

Oh thank you! I really wish Thunderbird would support EAS/MAPI over HTTP/EWS. They're so widely used and it's irritating to have to use the memory hog that is Evolution.

Update: works really well, shame it doesn't do email at the same time, but I guess it's a WIP. Cheers!

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Post by ratsmack »

Jonnax wrote: post #42
nzb wrote: post #6

Pfff, when I saw "Thunderbird in 2019 (blog.mozilla.org)" in the list of news I thought they were going to add ads to it like they did with Firefox. :)

Why is this dumb comment on every Mozilla post? It's starting to sound like FUD. Especially when the alternative is a browser engine whose development is dictated by an advertising company.

User was created today, probably just to make the dumb comment.

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Post by llao »

nocman wrote: post #10
StevePerkins wrote: post #5

The last I heard from Thunderbird in 2018, the story was Mozilla making preparations to divest themselves from the project and spin it off to "the community" (a.k.a. Apache graveyard). This post makes it sound like the Thunderbird team has been growing within Mozilla during 2018, and is targeting another 75% headcount increase in 2019. I mean, that's awesome, as someone who wants there to be a viable desktop email cl…

It is still a separate project. Mozilla is just collecting donations for them: "While Thunderbird is now an independent project separate from Mozilla, Mozilla has agreed to collect donations on our behalf" ( quote above is from https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird?utm_source=tb_b... )

It is weird to see it at blogs.mozilla.org then…

Re: Thunderbird in 2019

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Post by Mailtemi »

amaccuish wrote: post #72
kuon wrote: post #38

I love thunderbird because it's the only email client that does everything I want. I tried CLI clients, they are great and customizable, but CLI is a bit bare for email (images, html, fonts...) Things I'd like to see improved: - Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars). - Native PGP. - Better search, the UI is horrible and the search string is hard to get right (need fu…

> Native CardDAV and CalDAV support (there is caldav, but no discoverability of calendars). This would have been great about 5 years ago, and still would be useful, but I think we're going in the direction of unified protocols, like ActiveSync, JMAP, MAPI/EWS etc. IMHO x-DAV should have been there from day one. I'm using SOGo for my family's groupware and although SOGo provide plugins for Thunderbird, I've been missi…

ActiveSync is the best email protocol but as far as I know is very costly. JMAP is comparable to ActiveSync but will see will gain enough adoption when RFC is finished.
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