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Re: My video with 47M views was stolen on YouTube [video]

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Post by j-c-hewitt »

topynate wrote: post #23

I do admire just how perverse YouTube's solution for copyright law is. If they were accepting DMCA notices, they'd have the obligation to take note of counter-notices. If they were giving control of claimed videos to the claimants, then if someone filed a false claim against you, taking control of your video, you could then file a DMCA notice against the claimaint. But YouTube does neither of these things. Instead, t…

You can file a counterclaim, though.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807684?hl=en

If they don't have a registration, they can't file a lawsuit. So after 10 days, Google will reinstate.

He just went about it in the typical manner of people who act like the people who field these disputes aren't customer service representatives earning $0.50 per hour reading out automated scripts like literal NPCs with no freedom to act whatsoever. When dealing with these kinds of issues you have to realize that it's not personal. It is like getting mad at a voice chat app for misunderstanding you. There is nothing personal about it.

There are a few things that could help to improve this process: force people making claims to verify their identity positively (he does bring this up in his video), improve the technology at the Copyright office to provide both platform owners and copyright owners some method to generate keys that verify that claims are accurate and authorized, and for more people who are victims of false claims to sue the people who are making them.

I think ideally copyright owners would have to go to Copyright.gov, enter the registration number(s) that they own that they want to enforce using the account that made the registration, generate a time-limited key using the system, and then enter that key into their copyright complaint on the platform that they want to police their IP on. When GooFaceZon processes the complaint, they would check with the copyright.gov server to verify that an authorized copyright owner made that complaint within the timeframe provided by the system. That way even if there is some kind of account compromise at some point the damage can be limited.

I don't actually know if that'd be the best system, but something like that would be a great improvement over the current system of being able to make any kind of fake claim with no verification.

Re: My video with 47M views was stolen on YouTube [video]

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Post by jjoonathan »

j-c-hewitt wrote: post #70
topynate wrote: post #23

I do admire just how perverse YouTube's solution for copyright law is. If they were accepting DMCA notices, they'd have the obligation to take note of counter-notices. If they were giving control of claimed videos to the claimants, then if someone filed a false claim against you, taking control of your video, you could then file a DMCA notice against the claimaint. But YouTube does neither of these things. Instead, t…

You can file a counterclaim, though. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807684?hl=en If they don't have a registration, they can't file a lawsuit. So after 10 days, Google will reinstate. He just went about it in the typical manner of people who act like the people who field these disputes aren't customer service representatives earning $0.50 per hour reading out automated scripts like literal NPCs with no fr…

> after 10 days, Google will reinstate

Wait just a second, isn't the revenue half-life of a youtube video like 2 days or something? 10 days sounds like way, way too long.

Re: My video with 47M views was stolen on YouTube [video]

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Post by Andre607 »

YouTube's approach to takedowns is, simply put, appalling. I'm not just referring to the automated Content ID system, which has a vast catalog of false identification, but am talking about the manual, human confirmation of takedowns.

My 'favourite' (in the sense of most egregious) example of what I am talking about is the case where YouTube's Content ID flagged the sound of birds in someone's garden as being copyright infringing [1]. So far, par the course for a mistaken automatic identification. But the outrage comes after that: the copyright claimant (the notorious Rumblefish) reviewed the claim and confirmed that it was valid! In other words an actual human being looked at the video of someone in their garden, and confirmed the claim that the sound of the birds in the background was copyrighted. Actions like this are indefensible and highlight the outrageous monstrosity of YouTube's takedown system - -beyond Kafkaesque in its total disenfranchisement of users.

[1] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120227/00152917884/guy-g...

Re: My video with 47M views was stolen on YouTube [video]

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Post by jackvalentine »

jnbiche wrote: post #55
icebraining wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proof of ownership seems complicated to produce if you're a regular person uploading your own videos. What would you produce?

There are plenty of timestamping services out there, both blockchain-based and otherwise. If a video creator timestamps their video as soon as they create, and before they upload it, it could prove definitively these kinds of fraudulent claims. Also, these services are usually reasonably priced, and sometimes even free, so it would be reasonable to use even if you're making several videos a day.

> If a video creator timestamps their video as soon as they create, and before they upload it, it could prove definitively these kinds of fraudulent claims.

The immediate issue I see here is timestamping other people’s videos who produced them in the past, or for a different service, or just plain old didn’t know they needed to timestamp their video to protect it.

Re: My video with 47M views was stolen on YouTube [video]

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Post by infinitesoup »

jjoonathan wrote: post #69
infinitesoup wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But YouTube does accept DMCA claims, of course, as it's required by law. Their Content ID system provides an automated way to detect potential infringement by large copyright holders and redirect ad revenue to them, but if uploaders dispute the claim and appeal decision to uphold the claim, then the copyright holder is required to send a full DMCA claim to take down the video, and the uploader can respond with a coun…

> if uploaders dispute the claim and appeal decision to uphold the claim, then the copyright holder is required to send a full DMCA I have heard that the dispute process uses dark patterns to punish uploaders for actually using it -- e.g. you must select between reasons for your dispute, none of which is "the claimed material isn't actually present." Is this true?

Looking at copyright claims I have on my channel (these are valid music claims, for what it's worth), I see a dispute option labeled "The video is my original content and I own all of the rights to it", which I think covers the case you're describing.

Re: My video with 47M views was stolen on YouTube [video]

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Post by Andre607 »

CPLX wrote: post #61
jtbayly wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If YouTube is unwilling to pass along the information, as the parent says, then who are you going to file suit against? You’ll have to sue an unknown person and get a court order to get YouTube to turn over the person’s name. That’s an expensive start to aprocess with an unknown end. Isn’t it even possible the person isn’t in the US? Then you’ve thrown away your money.

It’s really not that hard to do. People do sometimes overestimate how hard it is to do basic legal tasks. Filing a simple John Doe summons in your home jurisdiction and then sending a subpoena to YouTube for the offending contact information is pretty trivial. You could probably find someone to do it for you for a thousand bucks or less. Admittedly that’s not free but in a context like this with real money at stake i…

And what do you do when you go through all of that time and effort (and potential expense) and get the very likely outcome that the claimant is not in your home jurisdiction?

Re: My video with 47M views was stolen on YouTube [video]

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Post by pilif »

DenisM wrote: post #57
icebraining wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proof of ownership seems complicated to produce if you're a regular person uploading your own videos. What would you produce?

Register a hash of the (video + your name) on blockchain, that's the proof that you had it first. Just needs a nice UI, and, well, Google giving a damn about it.

How would that work with some third party uploading (and registering on the blockchain) something to youtube they ripped off another place?

Re: My video with 47M views was stolen on YouTube [video]

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Post by fenomas »

j-c-hewitt wrote: post #71
topynate wrote: post #23

I do admire just how perverse YouTube's solution for copyright law is. If they were accepting DMCA notices, they'd have the obligation to take note of counter-notices. If they were giving control of claimed videos to the claimants, then if someone filed a false claim against you, taking control of your video, you could then file a DMCA notice against the claimaint. But YouTube does neither of these things. Instead, t…

You can file a counterclaim, though. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807684?hl=en If they don't have a registration, they can't file a lawsuit. So after 10 days, Google will reinstate. He just went about it in the typical manner of people who act like the people who field these disputes aren't customer service representatives earning $0.50 per hour reading out automated scripts like literal NPCs with no fr…

From your link:

> The process may only be pursued in instances where the upload was removed or disabled ... It should not be pursued under any other circumstances.

GP's whole point is that counterclaims don't work here, because the content hasn't been removed, just re-monetized.

Re: My video with 47M views was stolen on YouTube [video]

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Post by a11595 »

topynate wrote: post #23

I do admire just how perverse YouTube's solution for copyright law is. If they were accepting DMCA notices, they'd have the obligation to take note of counter-notices. If they were giving control of claimed videos to the claimants, then if someone filed a false claim against you, taking control of your video, you could then file a DMCA notice against the claimaint. But YouTube does neither of these things. Instead, t…

I mean, it's not "your" ad revenue. It's youtube - if someone is looking for revenue they should start a business, or get a job.

Youtube is a private company, they can do whatever they want - even take revenue generated by ads on a video you upload, and give it to someone else, without reason - just because. You don't like it - don't upload your video. They owe you zero - they never signed your contract.

It's brilliant in the way Christianity is brilliant. Stupefying to doorknob-licking level, yet able very well to separate complete retards from their money, but them voluntarily giving it away. When they much later figure out this basic obvious bad deal, they complain of unfairness. Because they're stupid. Just leave them alone and let them be stupid. It's what keeps the lower class down - the lower class itself.

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