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Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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The “newer MacBooks” are unpopular is just a meme in the tech bubble. While Apple will stop reporting unit sells next quarter, they just posted last quarters numbers. There is no indication that they are “unpopular”.

Maybe they still sell, but I know of nobody who is enthusiastic about them. People used to love them.

Why should we pay more credence to the anecdotal “people you know” instead of the reported sales volumes?

Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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> Can you just not write graphics drivers for macOS? So this is seriously what you suggest owners of an older MBP (official Apple hardware, just over 4 years old) to do? Since both Apple's drivers and NVidia's drivers are completely closed source, I'd say it's hardly possible to write a working driver (w/ hardware acceleration) for it.

I’m quoting an NVIDIA engineer here; I’m asking why they can’t write their own driver instead of waiting for Apple. (Though, I’m sure that people in the Hackintosh community would not shy away from stepping up if asked…)

Since it's hardware sold by Apple I would assume that Apple figures that out with NVIDIA and collaborates. Apparently I'm wrong and Apple just doesn't give a crap as long as they can sell new products.

For a hobby computer it can be interesting to write your own driver. For a professional laptop not so much :)

Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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Seriously, It's Apple. They must have known.

How should anyone Jane known, based on previous experience being the exact opposite behavior?

Apple has a strong and well known history of vendor lock-in and control.

These people are discovering, and hopefully coming to terms that they never owned any Apple device. The device was always a slave to Apple. It follows the orders of its master, not the foolish human who thought they owned it.

And its master has chosen not to have external nvidia devices work anymore. The lock in will continue. The walled garden will continue to encircle.

Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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This isnt news. Apple has always done this.

how come external gpus worked fine on high sierra(there was even fan fare about egpus being supported with an "official" egpu) is that all gone now? I saw the writing on the wall and made a cute little mini pc in a cooler master elite 110 instead of staying in the egpu space

Apple hasn't quite tightened the noose of lock-in on OSX as much as they have on iOS.

Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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Headline blaming Apple and then, in the 8th paragraph, > At this point, it’s somewhat unclear exactly as to why NVIDIA GPU support isn’t present in Mojave

I also wasn’t clear on that from the article. Is there a pending driver update that NVIDIA is waiting on Apple to approve?

It sounds like the current driver is bad and Apple is a convenient scapegoat to blame for the issues.

Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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> I have no reason to suspect that Apple broke hardware they themselves sold In fact my own 15" MBP late 2013 has a GFX750, which is no longer supported according to Apple Support [1]. The worst for me is that this didn't withold Apple from pushing the update, so running Mojave with an external monitor is hardly possible now. > Nvidia is not a "good" company. Agreed. Neither is Apple. [1] - https://support.apple.com/…

> In fact my own 15" MBP late 2013 has a GFX750, which is no longer supported according to Apple Support [1] That support article doesn't mention the GFX 750 and I can't find any record of Apple selling a MBP with a GFX 750... Edit: I believe what you meant to say is you have a "NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M with 2GB of GDDR5 memory and automatic graphics switching" [0] which it appears does not support metal. [0] https://s…

Metal's supported on that card. Works on a GT650M too, from a 2012 rMBP.

Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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You can write them but you'll need to get them signed by Apple to be able to deploy them in a sensible way. As to whether Apple will sign drivers to run MacOS on non-Apple hardware remains to be seen.

Again, is this something specific for graphics drivers? Because I can write a driver today, sign it with my developer certificate, and distribute it to others without Apple’s approval; if I have blanket preapproval my users can install it without disabling SIP as well.

A standard developer certificate won’t help you for drivers (except for drivers that purely run in user space, such as FUSE filesystems).

Anything that is a kext (kernel extension) requires a special kernel signing developer certificate so macOS will allow users to install it without disabling SIP. Apple is extremely conservative in handing out those kext certificates, and even if they grant you one, they will impose super harsh restrictions on what you can do with them.

Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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post #66

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Maybe they still sell, but I know of nobody who is enthusiastic about them. People used to love them.

Why should we pay more credence to the anecdotal “people you know” instead of the reported sales volumes?

That is Sales Volume, but its 100M Active Devices, is way slower than what most predicted. Apple took more than 2 years to add 10M Active Devices, on a ~40+M Unit sold during that time, that means 30M are either replacement or, there are quite a high churn rate to Mac. It is possibly the only reason why Apple suddenly come up with iMac Pro, new MacBook Retina etc. It wasn't the sales that matters, it was user leaving its platform. By previous trend and growth at a nearly consistent 20M unit per year, Mac should have at least 120M Active Devices by now, if not more.

Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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post #78

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Why should we pay more credence to the anecdotal “people you know” instead of the reported sales volumes?

That is Sales Volume, but its 100M Active Devices, is way slower than what most predicted. Apple took more than 2 years to add 10M Active Devices, on a ~40+M Unit sold during that time, that means 30M are either replacement or, there are quite a high churn rate to Mac. It is possibly the only reason why Apple suddenly come up with iMac Pro, new MacBook Retina etc. It wasn't the sales that matters, it was user leaving…

Why does Apple care about active users for the Mac and not sales volume?

Active users for iOS devices makes sense. Apple gets recurring revenue from iOS users. Hardly anyone uses the Mac App Store or buys iCloud storage just for the Mac and OS upgrades are free.

Re: Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

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Headline blaming Apple and then, in the 8th paragraph, > At this point, it’s somewhat unclear exactly as to why NVIDIA GPU support isn’t present in Mojave

Since there's nobody else responsible for releasing Apple's closed source OS, what makes you think Apple is not to blame on this?

You are aware that third party hardware vendors have been writing drivers for closed sourced operating systems for well over 30 years aren’t you?
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