Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike • Hacker News Board

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by ryanwaggoner » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 12:00 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #70

sascha_sl wrote: post #39

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Workers rights are "clowns destroying their own jobs". Spotted the neoliberal.

Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. The GP shouldn't have included that bait, but taking it and upping the ante is just the wrong response for a good discussion here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it looks like you've been doing it a lot. We ban accounts that do that, so please adjust.

Agreed that I shouldn’t have included that. My apologies.

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by everdev » Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 12:37 AM UTC

dagw wrote: post #65

everdev wrote: post #63

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Very fair point. I think most media (and consumers) would agree with you as they've found success with opinion-based programming and editorials. I usually get frustrated with opinion-based content though because it seems to me that it's more about posturing, being the loudest/funniest, looks/appearance, etc. and less about trying to uncover good solutions to real problems. However, as you mentioned, no one is imparti…

I get where you're coming from, and if all you want is a chronological list of things that happened there always Reuters. But let's say Congress passes a bill. One story could be "Today the bill passes X votes to Y, all Republicans and 47 Democrats voted for. Here's a link to the complete text to the bill" But that's not really what I want. What I want is for someone to tell me the potential implications of the bill,…

Totally agree, I just don't know how we get to "best, honest and good faith arguments" or if that really exists. News seems so dominated by posturing and pandering to a target audience.

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by woodpanel » Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 10:28 PM UTC

JBReefer wrote: post #66

woodpanel wrote: post #45

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> like college bloggers writing an angry screed about how everything in the world is terrible. In my country we seem to have this phenomenon for most of the established media, even more so with newer news outlets. I think of this as a problem for our society, because the repercussions from the 'fourth-column' becoming this way are spilling over to the other three columns: E.g. once clearly differential political part…

$10 you're talking about Germany

That's one Oktoberfest Maß for you ;-)

Re: Slate's Newly Unionized Writers and Editors Give OK to Strike

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Post by _bfhp » Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 6:49 PM UTC

bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #64

cwyers wrote: post #10

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Independent of what? There is no living outside of things. Everybody has to live somewhere, they have to eat, they have to get medical care when they get sick, they have friends, they have family. It's impossible to just show up to things without preconceptions. Being a human doesn't work that way.

Great point. Independent of an organization paying them for their work. It's impossible for a writer to not let their own preconceptions seep through but it is possible for writers to not let their editors' or institutions' preconceptions seep through. Hope that helps clear that up.

I made the mistake of choosing an example involving strictly formal barriers. A self-employed journalist can still feel the incentives offered by governments and huge multinational media conglomerates, if not also less powerful companies and organizations. And then there exist organizations explicitly and singularly devoted to rewarding and training young writers in producing propaganda, like Hasbara Fellowships.