I'm really skeptical of these sorts of memorization systems, not because I think they don't work (I think they do), but because I see it as a brain "hack" that goes against the grain. What do I mean by this? I think of our memories as a kind of most-frequently-used (MFU) cache. We remember best when we use the information all the time. So when we use this sort of spaced repetition we're trying to artificially "warm u…
Have you ever learned a language in your 20s? If so, how good are you? How long did it take you? I personally have tried to learn many languages in my 20s. I’ve became good at figuring out what are the shortcuts to kickstart learning. The best one I found is to learn as many words as possible + simple grammar + useful verbs. If you have the time learn hundreds per day with memory tricks. Once you know enough start tr…
Whether to Use Anki or SuperMemo
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Re: Whether to Use Anki or SuperMemo
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but because I see it as a brain "hack" that goes against the grain. The current, modern, and typical grain if you will: language learning is vocabulary, vocabulary and maybe conversation (maybe). Although early on in childhood, as we develop "receptive language", we are going against this grain naturally by learning phonetics first then moving onwards to vocabulary through conversation. I was in the auto parts stor…
The current, modern, and typical grain if you will There is no "modern grain". Our brains haven't changed in any fundamental way over the past 10,000 years of civilization. Humans have been learning language as children the same way, for the entirety of history. The modern method of teaching language goes against the way humans naturally learn languages. Look, talk to anyone who learned a language in school. None of…
But you can't disregard the fact that an adult's brain is different from a child's brain. An adult's brain has a lot of prior knowledge that a child doesn't possess. Concepts such as freedom, money, market are easily grasped by an adult whereas a child has to focus on the meaning rather than the words (the representations).
I think adults can take advantage of their prior knowledge to speed up language acquisition.
Re: Whether to Use Anki or SuperMemo
#73Spaced repetition is misunderstood. The original idea was to decrease the amount of time needed for long term memorization, over a different approach, like sequential or purely random repetition. However, many people now compare SRS over no repetition at all. One big problem of SRS is that it gets unwieldy with larger chunks of information. SRS is good for vocabulary, bad for medical texts. The much bigger problem is…
All SRS algorithm is expanding, i.e. increasing intervals. So maybe with continue success, it'll be: 1 day, 2, 4, 16, 40, 300 (arbitrary numbers).
How do you propose to lean medical texts, if without SRS?
Mnemonic techniques only work with rote recall, whereas flashcards, if formulated well, can help induction, understanding, not just recall.
Re: Whether to Use Anki or SuperMemo
#74I figured this was written by someone working on or for supermemo, but it turns out it's not! The author details his journey from using Anki for 5+ years to switching to supermemo: https://masterhowtolearn.wordpress.com/2018/10/28/why-i-swit...
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#75Is SuperMemo free (unless you book pre-set vocab sets)? And is there an export function to avoid vendor lock-in? (Don't want to tempt my luck and waste my time scripting or writing a GDPR request) and are we talking about https://super-memo.com/ or https://www.supermemo.com/ ?
SuperMemo 15 is free. The latest version is paid software unfortunately.
Re: Whether to Use Anki or SuperMemo
#76The main hump I need to get over before committing to either tool is deciding what's important enough to remember. If I were learning a language, using spaced repetition would be obvious. In most other areas, it's not so clear whether it's important to remember the contents of any given book or article. I suppose I could apply it to remembering songs I've learned how to play, but I'm just doing it for fun.
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#77The fundamental flaw in the author's argument for using SuperMemo is that there is a ton of value in manually creating the decks yourself. When you write out an item in pencil on paper, then copy it to Anki and create a card, you're creating a memory and physical association with the creation of that card. When you just cloze pre-made selections of reading material, you're skipping this entire process. This is the sa…
I’m OP. Thank you for the feedback! Yes, I think decks have to be personalized. But I don't agree the argument that "writing out in pencil then transferring back to a Spaced Repetition Software" is better than "pre-made selections of reading material". For Incremental Reading, you have to select the important parts; there's no pre-made selection. It's just like highlighting; the material isn't pre-highlighted. I thin…
Science says otherwise:
https://www.fastcompany.com/40476984/this-is-how-the-way-you...
Re: Whether to Use Anki or SuperMemo
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you ever learned a language in your 20s? If so, how good are you? How long did it take you? I personally have tried to learn many languages in my 20s. I’ve became good at figuring out what are the shortcuts to kickstart learning. The best one I found is to learn as many words as possible + simple grammar + useful verbs. If you have the time learn hundreds per day with memory tricks. Once you know enough start tr…
How do you propose to "learn as many words as possible"? What is the actual method? With Spaced Repetition Software like Anki or SuperMemo?
Re: Whether to Use Anki or SuperMemo
#79Been using Anki for a couple of years to learn Spanish. Was "ok". I now use Anki to learn Spanish but now I add imagery (also known as a mnemonic). Our minds don't remember text too well - but coupled with imagery they do. To boot, Anki supports audio files to even further ingrain the memory if you have the time to create the cards. If you're super imaginative, like the Russian Mnemonist Solomon Shereshevsky, (articl…
I use Anki to learn Japanese vocabulary. I have found it much more useful when I use Kanji vs. Romanization. I see Kanji differently than I do Romanization and I wonder if there isn’t a picture quality to it that gets lost when I Romanize the words?