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Re: Tulsa Remote

#71
I mean WOW the comments here are snotty against Tulsa. Relatively little discussion of the incentive itself, the fact that a single private individual is paying for the incentive (!!), or other dynamics of relocation to cheaper, easier towns for remote work.

I visited Tulsa a few months ago to just check it out. I enjoyed it greatly. The Tulsa Gathering Place is absolutely unreal for a free public park. There is enough going on there to make it a worthwhile place to move to for a few years. A considerable amount of very high end architecture and art there.

I am doing a multifamily development with similar (not nearly as generous) relocation incentives tied in through a medical district. Very interesting way to move the needle and encourage shifts in living. For most cities, this is a much cheaper way to approach affordable housing as well.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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But in actual fact, they are desperate. Property values are dropping, they can't attract people to live there because it's an exceptionally boring place to live.

I have worked full-time remote for almost my entire career, yet I've ended up in big cities exclusively (aside from a couple of few-month stints in a far-flung place every now and then). Why? - most places who beg for workers of any kind are really boring - I don't ever want to live somewhere where I'd feel like I'd have a really hard time finding a new job if my current job fell through - since I'm remote, and trave…

The town has its merits. The arts--especially museums--are quite good, as is a lot of the downtown architecture and housing in midtown (gorgeous houses). It is an oil town after all. With that also comes its fair share of conspicuous consumption in terms of shi-shi restaurants and shopping if that's your thing. The oil industry has also brought in more diversity than you'd think, particularly people from the middle east. The music scene used to be great though fairly country oriented (with lots of blues, rock and swing influence and a big independent/DIY aesthetic), though that genre has certainly lost almost all of its vitality and I expect Tulsa's music scene has gone the same way. The philharmonic and ballet also used to be decent (could be still?) and tickets may be cheap and available enough to just drop in if you're interested.

In terms of big-city amenities, arts, culture, nightlife, etc. it definitely beats the South SF Bay area on all fronts except cheap, delicious Asian restaurants. But it can't compete with LA, SF proper, DC...

You can also expose your children to experiences like having horses, which is harder in cities, but contributes to well-roundedness in a variety of ways. You can even go to the museum in the morning and go ride horses in the afternoon because getting from A to B is easy.

That being said, it is a pretty conservative place, and it's a long way from anywhere that's not (outside of college towns), and it's a long way from anywhere that looks different except the Ozarks. You'd probably be fine as a non-surfing liberal atheist except dating could really suck. Life could also be pretty hard for various ethnicities and other sorts of minorities, but less so than most other places within a thousand miles.

WARNING: DIGRESSION

In my experience with many of these places though, a lot of the problems are with the mindset, both of the city itself and of individuals who kind of fall in line.

You can move to a big coastal city and feel the energy of the place--movers moving, shakers shaking--and it's kind of true but it can be very hard to tap into that energy unless you're already connected and have a fair amount of disposable income. If you want to do things, make things, start a business, paint, build boats, join a band, or whatever, it's a lot easier to do in a place where you can afford a garage and not live 40 min outside the city, and where you aren't slammed just trying to pay $3000/month in rent.

If you want to be an active participant in arts, music, crafts, etc. it is generally easier to do in a place like Tulsa or Salt Lake City. You'll have more time and perhaps more income, and networking is pretty easy when the networks are small. You may or may not outgrow the scene eventually. The downside is that people spend a lot of time bitching about how nothing is going on in their small scene or small city and how it'd be so much better to be in a big city with the famous people in their field, and this can be demoralizing to the more sensitive or inexperienced.

However if you want to be a passive participant, a spectator, then it's probably better to be in a city where you can go from gallery to gallery and drink wine and gossip, or if you have the cash on hand to see the luminaries in your musical genre of choice play every Friday night.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Only a little more than half. Portland metro is 2.4M, state is 4.15M.

It really depends on what you call the Portland area I guess. See https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/7nz9fq/a_populatio... I bet your number includes a few people in Washington if it’s the official Portland metro area one.

I'm going by the census definition of the Portland MSA.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Moved from Oklahoma City to California. Never going back. If you're religious, right-wing, and don't care about having outing options, then Oklahoma is the place for you.

I guarantee that if I spent more than one week in Oklahoma or Kansas, I would get into a terrible political argument with the locals. I can only bite my tongue for so long.

Kansas is surprisingly much cooler than Oklahoma

Re: Tulsa Remote

#75
I'm a bit confused by the city/town split. I'd definitely describe Tulsa as a city, but then again I'm coming from a 150k people city and living in a 20k people town at the moment. The website seems to use them interchangeably, and I remember an article some time ago describing Austin as a "town" people move to.

What are the thresholds in the US before people start saying something's a city?

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Moved from Oklahoma City to California. Never going back. If you're religious, right-wing, and don't care about having outing options, then Oklahoma is the place for you.

I guarantee that if I spent more than one week in Oklahoma or Kansas, I would get into a terrible political argument with the locals. I can only bite my tongue for so long.

I’m in Kansas. Let’s argue.

Re: Tulsa Remote

#77
Spent 6 months on a project in Tulsa. I’m a big fan of the place. I was in the downtown area and ended up staying in the Mayo hotel most weeks. The incredible thing was that I was in a ~1500 square foot apartment style 2 bedroom with full kitchen and was paying on average 129/night. These rooms were 5-600 a night on weekends but the place was a ghost town during the work week. It was right next to the blue dome and bands like Pearl Jam, rob zombie, Katy perry all stayed in the place while I was there. Downtown becomes a ghost town at 5pm but there is a decent night life as well. I would totally live there.

Re: Tulsa Remote

#78

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/21/7-us-cities-that-will-pay-yo... Financial relocation incentives don't appear to be anything new, but the alternatives never seemed to ring any bells for me. Hard to pin down precisely, but I think part of it was the fact that a lot of them were asking you to settle down in what might as well be the frontier in terms of urban density and amenities, or maybe the city in question was a bu…

It really depends on your definition of normal and comfortable, and how able you are to entertain yourself when you are not working or shacking up in your tornado shelter (which you will probably have to dig yourself.)

Re: Tulsa Remote

#79
I don't qualify for this offer, and I wouldn't accept it if I did. I have a ragweed allergy. I was horribly ill when I lived in Kansas, probably at least in part because it is ragweed central. Oklahoma is also ragweed central. So that doesn't work for me.

I liked Oklahoma when I went through there. I spent a few years kind of wishing I could live in Oklahoma. I am a homebody who spends a lot of time online. I need a few decent places to eat and shop, but I can kind of make my own fun.

I mostly don't understand complaints that a city is "boring." I mean, if it has 500 people, okay, I can see that. I need a certain amount of city fabric. But I don't really get it when that gets said about big cities. Tulsa is 400k people.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/21/7-us-cities-that-will-pay-yo... Financial relocation incentives don't appear to be anything new, but the alternatives never seemed to ring any bells for me. Hard to pin down precisely, but I think part of it was the fact that a lot of them were asking you to settle down in what might as well be the frontier in terms of urban density and amenities, or maybe the city in question was a bu…

I went to high school in Tulsa, so allow me to clear up some misconceptions. > Looking at the website, pretty obvious that they're not asking me to settle in a small town or a burnt-out husk of a city. In reality Tulsa is somewhere in between a "small town" and a "burnt out husk of city". > Despite my biases against Oklahoma, I get the sense that this is a pretty exciting place to be. It is not. Its main benefits are…

See, I would be afraid to move to Tulsa with this context. I don't have a firm grasp on the economic outlook of the region, nor the demographics or the culture. Nor do I know how welcoming the citizens in Tulsa are toward gay, athiests like myself. I know most of my friends wouldn't feel comfortable (one calls the place she hails from Misery, in reference to the state and her former state of mind while growing up there).
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