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China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by IllogicalLogic »

hnmonkey wrote: post #68
IllogicalLogic wrote: post #66

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There is no evidence? Too funny, I was hoping the work required was just reminding this (expected educated) audience of history, rather than teaching a full course myself. There is a reason the statue of Lin Zexu is in Chatham Square, NYC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Zexu

Your posts in this thread have continually grown more and more incivil and arrogant in defense of Chinese spying. Stating that you thought this audience HN was smart but now you realize you have to teach this audience on HN is incredibly condescending. What do you get out of taking this stance towards this audience?

When you don't like the message, you start attacking the messenger for providing evidence?

It's almost like you don't want to learn after asking for a lesson.

Stop evading, it's very clear what you're attempting to do.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

hatersgonnahate wrote: post #32
onetimemanytime wrote: post #29

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China felt generous to build an entire new building for African Union. About $200 Million cost, and it came complete with bugs (as in spy ones) and backdoor-ed network that sent the data to China every night. NSA would have done the same, that's what countries do. There I said it. But the story, for me, is more about Huawei doing whatever their owner wants. Stay away from them

Huawei phones are still great in terms of affordability with high end spec. Tell the nonrich people more about the eavesdropping and most don’t give it shit

I'm using one; given GCHQ/NSA/whoever already are watching my data, that UK ISPs use Huawei gear - and from who knows where - I don't really care.

I can't see what they'd want with my info. If I was working on stuff to be patented or something then maybe ...

If I use an Apple device the Chinese or USAmericans could be surveilling me; Samsung/LG, perhaps the Koreans; Sony/Fujitsu maybe the Japanese ... I wouldn't know either way, nor ever need to care AFAICT.

As the parent suggests, perhaps if you have a lot to lose then paranoia about this might pay off.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by hnmonkey »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #65
lamarpye wrote: post #53

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Serious question, are you just hand waving the Cultural Revolution away or have you never heard of it? Maybe it's like a C and a program stack, they just don't teach it in college anymore, because it's not important and you don't need to know about it.

Interesting to bring up the cultural revolution, what's even more interesting is what caused that almost immune-system like response. Mainly, the invasion and drugging of a large % of the Chinese for a century by western powers. True, understanding the launching point of the last 2 centuries of interactions is quite important.

When did 'western powers' invade China and drug a large percentage of their population between 1918 and 2018? What was the percentage of their population? What were the drugs? What was the purpose? Who did it? How did something that you say supposedly happened 100 ago effect a country 200 years ago?

This is an extraordinary claim that should require extraordinary evidence. You've shown no evidence of the statements you've made in this thread so far so I hope you'll change that up and provide us with some here. I'd be very interested in seeing some for this.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by IllogicalLogic »

hnmonkey wrote: post #73
IllogicalLogic wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting to bring up the cultural revolution, what's even more interesting is what caused that almost immune-system like response. Mainly, the invasion and drugging of a large % of the Chinese for a century by western powers. True, understanding the launching point of the last 2 centuries of interactions is quite important.

When did 'western powers' invade China and drug a large percentage of their population between 1918 and 2018? What was the percentage of their population? What were the drugs? What was the purpose? Who did it? How did something that you say supposedly happened 100 ago effect a country 200 years ago? This is an extraordinary claim that should require extraordinary evidence. You've shown no evidence of the statements y…

My invocation of "last 2 centuries" only included the last 2 full centuries (thanks for attempting to assess my statements in an honest/unbiased way /s).

Once you consider, what I really said as I intended. The leg work is very easy to do.

Protip: Don't skip leg day.

Here is a light squat exercise to get you started:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_%26_Company

https://youtu.be/D0AJ59vqzzg

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by hnmonkey »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #74
hnmonkey wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did 'western powers' invade China and drug a large percentage of their population between 1918 and 2018? What was the percentage of their population? What were the drugs? What was the purpose? Who did it? How did something that you say supposedly happened 100 ago effect a country 200 years ago? This is an extraordinary claim that should require extraordinary evidence. You've shown no evidence of the statements y…

My invocation of "last 2 centuries" only included the last 2 full centuries (thanks for attempting to assess my statements in an honest/unbiased way /s). Once you consider, what I really said as I intended. The leg work is very easy to do. Protip: Don't skip leg day. Here is a light squat exercise to get you started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_%26_Company https://youtu.be/D0AJ59vqzzg

Your condescension only seems to grow and you continue to get more incivil while crying out that you're getting attacked (elsewhere in this thread saying I'm attacking the messenger). I think I'll call it quits in trying to have a civil conversation with you since you only seem interested in spewing unsubstantiated pro-Chinese statements and attacking everyone in this thread that doesn't agree with you.

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Post by monocasa »

dforrestwilson wrote: post #9
raprp wrote: post #6

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Yes. Buy Apple or Google's phones instead. They would never leak customer data for the US government. Oh wait...

One government is vastly more transparent than the other. One company is government subsidized and the others are not. Hard to make a genuine privacy comparison with a straight face.

What? The CCP can be accused of many things, but a lack of transparency isn't one of them. They're easily one of the most transparent governments. They're just transparently authoritarian.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by tomp »

raprp wrote: post #62
IllogicalLogic wrote: post #38

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Are they though? Did the Chinese government spend the last century toppling democratically elected governments and subjecting the populations to the horrors that followed purely for economic gain? I guess not.

Lets not mention the torture program, which the current head of CIA took part. Or the "humanitarian" invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia and Syria without UN Security Council mandate. Especially Lybya, which is much more democratic now with it's slave markets. Or the protectionism that goes against the WTO treaties. Or by weaponizing the dollar, which is supposed to be the world's reserve currency, by the means of s…

Now, honestly, would you rather live in Russia, China or the US?

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by IllogicalLogic »

hnmonkey wrote: post #75
IllogicalLogic wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My invocation of "last 2 centuries" only included the last 2 full centuries (thanks for attempting to assess my statements in an honest/unbiased way /s). Once you consider, what I really said as I intended. The leg work is very easy to do. Protip: Don't skip leg day. Here is a light squat exercise to get you started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_%26_Company https://youtu.be/D0AJ59vqzzg

Your condescension only seems to grow and you continue to get more incivil while crying out that you're getting attacked (elsewhere in this thread saying I'm attacking the messenger). I think I'll call it quits in trying to have a civil conversation with you since you only seem interested in spewing unsubstantiated pro-Chinese statements and attacking everyone in this thread that doesn't agree with you.

Appeal to civility all you want (has no effect in the grand scheme), not doing the investigative leg work is an option you are free to choose.

Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by [deleted] »

Khaine wrote: post #70
sametmax wrote: post #12

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Already forgot PRISM ? No wonder they do stuff like this when the public attention span is so small.

One government is actually putting people into fucking camps[1], the other isn't. The scale in which the Chinese Government is bad dwarfs the bad things the US Government may do. No Government is perfect, but there are orders of magnitudes in difference between the badness of the US and that of the Chinese Government. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45812419

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Re: China used Huawei to hack network, says report

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Post by Brybry »

Khaine wrote: post #70
sametmax wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Already forgot PRISM ? No wonder they do stuff like this when the public attention span is so small.

One government is actually putting people into fucking camps[1], the other isn't. The scale in which the Chinese Government is bad dwarfs the bad things the US Government may do. No Government is perfect, but there are orders of magnitudes in difference between the badness of the US and that of the Chinese Government. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45812419

The US does have both the highest incarceration rate and actual number of prisoners in the world.

And ~22% of those are unsentenced detainees.

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