Is the linux tarball on the website updated to the most recent version? It runs under Arch, but just syncs endlessly. It's also a light client, where the Windows version is dark theme. I don't like using snaps, so this is preferred.
Aether – Free, privacy-sensitive public communities
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Re: Aether – Free, privacy-sensitive public communities
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who has spent the better part of their life advocating for openness, decentralization, etc... it pains me to believe this, but I'm not sure we can have both open decentralized communities and simultaneously a community that isn't overrun with toxicity. If the goal is shitposting and edge-waddling I think it can be done, for a while anyway. However, if the goal is to have a space where discussion is meaning…
what is SSC?
Re: Aether – Free, privacy-sensitive public communities
#73Trying to install using snap, keep getting the following errors, any advice? Never stops retrying. bee@blackandyellow:~/Downloads$ snap install --dangerous --devmode Aether-2.0.0-dev.5+1811030036.53a6bb49.snap 2018-11-03T11:59:53-04:00 INFO Waiting for restart... 2018-11-03T12:00:01-04:00 INFO auto-connect of snap "aether" will be retried because of "aether" - "core" conflict EDIT: Snap files are an archive of sorts.…
@b here. Seems the snap isn’t able to boot because of a similarly named package? Linux isn’t officially supported right now, but there was somebody downthread that managed to get it to work with the —dangerous flag.
Re: Aether – Free, privacy-sensitive public communities
#74Is the linux tarball on the website updated to the most recent version? It runs under Arch, but just syncs endlessly. It's also a light client, where the Windows version is dark theme. I don't like using snaps, so this is preferred.
@b here. Snap version is untested - it compiles but no guarantees. I think some people got it to work downthread, you might want to check which flags they used.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's perfectly fine. But just because you don't want to debate with someone does that mean they're not allowed to talk to each other? In my opinion it's more important to let groups self-moderate and compartmentalize. We can have a peaceful talk because "they" are over there, where they don't disturb us. > Not everyone is owed [...] even eyeballs. Where to look is up to each pair of eyeballs.
> they... compartmentalize And that's the key problem. People are more divided than ever, especially in politics, to the point where rational discussion is nearly impossible. Instead of letting people separate into echo chambers, it seems much better to force everyone to be in the same space, which should result in people hearing each side of an argument. Use moderation to punish people who don't act civilly, which s…
What? No, we should not force people to share the same space as fascists and racists. It seems ridiculous to have to say it. If I were to encounter neo-nazis in real life, I would not engage in a civil discussion, confident that the police is there to make sure everyone is civil. I would walk away. Online, it's pretty much the same thing. I'm not sure why it's so hard to fathom that most people have more productive uses of their time than hearing what racists and fascists have to say.
Re: Aether – Free, privacy-sensitive public communities
#76Is the linux tarball on the website updated to the most recent version? It runs under Arch, but just syncs endlessly. It's also a light client, where the Windows version is dark theme. I don't like using snaps, so this is preferred.
@b here. Snap version is untested - it compiles but no guarantees. I think some people got it to work downthread, you might want to check which flags they used.
Thanks for the reply. I'm talking about the tarball on https://www.getaether.net/linux_download.html
Link Location: https://github.com/nehbit/aether-public/releases/download/v1...
Looks like it's v1.2.3, released in 2014, so I'm guessing this client won't work? Might want to remove that link! :)
Re: Aether – Free, privacy-sensitive public communities
#77How do you get this to not turn into a fascist/racist trash bin worse than 4chan/b/ as other Reddit clones have seemingly fallen into?
I feel like the cost of having open communication platforms is the existence of toxic communities. The correct approach (IMO) is to educate people about these rather than to have some sort of censorship mechanism.
Yes. To add, with the introduction of a global real-time communication network (the internet), we've also realized you must include mechanisms that make it easy for each individual to filter content so that they have the ability to remove themselves from situations that they consider oppressive, unethical, and/or immoral.
> I feel like the cost of having open communication platforms is the existence of toxic communities.
This topic has been discussed through history by many political philosophers. In the US, it's one of our founding principles. A strict non-unanimous majority rule is by definition oppressive. So how does one craft a society that keeps the majority of people happy while keeping in check the oppression a majority exerts upon dissenting "factions"? You preserve certain fundamental civil liberties and human rights for all your citizens. You do this so that a mere majority cannot infringe upon the liberties of minority groups. On top of that, the civil liberties you choose to universally defend are selected such that they give social agency to members regardless of faction allegiance. A faction may begin to feel oppressed by introduction of an ignorant law or by global change in social outlook (including reinterpretation of existing laws). The response is for the faction to exercise their social agency in order to effect political change that they otherwise don't have the numbers to outright decree.
If you allow people to communicate, some are going to say something "toxic". We pay this price so that as a society we retain a means for oppression to be discovered. Indeed two "toxic" homosexuals one day may be the voice for marriage equality the next.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
@b here. Snap version is untested - it compiles but no guarantees. I think some people got it to work downthread, you might want to check which flags they used.
Thanks for the reply. I'm talking about the tarball on https://www.getaether.net/linux_download.html Link Location: https://github.com/nehbit/aether-public/releases/download/v1... Looks like it's v1.2.3, released in 2014, so I'm guessing this client won't work? Might want to remove that link! :)
Oh wow - you got the old, old version from the prior site, v1.x. The new version is 2.0.0, it’s a completely different app. Clear your cache and go to getaeether.net again, that should give you the new site and new version.
Re: Aether – Free, privacy-sensitive public communities
#79From the FAQ: > How long does it take for a post to reach the most of the network? > [...] Long answer [...] > [...] In fact, it’s a little larger than one request in a minute, because some nodes are behind restrictive firewalls and NATs, and they cannot be reached, they can only make requests out. Regardless of the actual FAQ discussed here, the statement is made that "some" nodes are behind NAT's, implying that mos…
> because some nodes are behind restrictive firewalls and NATs That is just a weird turn of phrase on my part, will fix it. What I mean is: because some nodes are behind restrictive firewalls and [restrictive] NATs. In other words, most NATs work fine. Even if they don’t work fine, it has a process called a ‘reverse open’ where the inbound connection is requested by the receiving remote and the remote ‘captures’ and…
Thanks for replying -- the client seems to work beautifully on osx here. It took some time to start showing post content, and I even restarted it once because it didn't seem to do that after a few minutes, but now it does, so that's good.
My NAT is apparently a restrictive one, since I've got "Mapping failed, no router, or router uncooperative" as my port mapping status. But as you predicted, I've indeed got some inbound connections, so yay.