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Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by Navarr »

gotocake wrote: post #68
feri339 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you ever manually review 400 hours of video per minute (likely much more by now). It's just impossible. And who is to say that the human reviewers would make no mistakes. It's not always a clear cut decision I'm guessing. So either you have an automated and overzealous ContentID system or you limit upload capabilities for smaller creators (which would be the death of the internet). Obviously the best soluti…

Maybe if you can’t manage your platform, the problem is that your platform shouldn’t be so big? In the same way that the answer to packing a club that can safely hold 100 people with 1000 people isn’t to shrug and say “well, of course we can’t safely manage this many, what did you expect?”

You want an internet with upload queues?

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by gotocake »

Navarr wrote: post #71
gotocake wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if you can’t manage your platform, the problem is that your platform shouldn’t be so big? In the same way that the answer to packing a club that can safely hold 100 people with 1000 people isn’t to shrug and say “well, of course we can’t safely manage this many, what did you expect?”

You want an internet with upload queues?

I want an Internet with alternatives to Google who can compete, because Google isn’t allowed to automate QC. If a platform can’t control itself, it shouldn’t be allowed to automate the control incompetently and call it good, then hide behind algorithms.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by kalcode »

kibwen wrote: post #29

This is rich. Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders, and their opaque and useless litigation process. Here's one for reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZ_a6gL0f4 . Listening to the CEO of YouTube cry "but think of the content crea…

I don't think peoples complaints of YouTube are invalid at all.

But I think it is interesting how much credit these people that monetize YouTube don't give google at all.

Video hosting has always been expensive comparatively. They are large files. You tube stores multiple resolutions of your files.

YouTube hosting your video is free. You don't pay for it. These people that are bringing in $500 - $4,000 crying that 'youtube isn't giving me all my money' seem to also have a sense of entitlement in itself.

YouTube has a relationship with its creators. Creators get free video hosting, a video social platform and they can earn quite a bit of money doing it. YouTube in turns get a portion of the ad money too.

When YouTube demonetizes something they lose money too. They know their system can hurt their bottom-line in the end.

Understanding this is a business relationship between the two entities would probably make their attempts more professional. Maybe open a business that represents a large sets of these YouTubers instead of each one make a video about it. That way their collective views are significant chunk and they can apporoach YouTube as a professional entity.

Instead they post drama videos about it.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by michaelt »

leereeves wrote: post #67
tzs wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they have some policies that are unfriendly in some circumstances to creators, it is hypocritical of them to oppose the imposition of other policies that are more unfriendly and/or unfriendly in different circumstances to creators?

It's hypocritical of them to claim they care about creators while treating creators badly.

Is it hypocritical for a farmer to care about his cattle's wellbeing when they're destined for the slaughterhouse?

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by vetinari »

kalcode wrote: post #73
kibwen wrote: post #29

This is rich. Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders, and their opaque and useless litigation process. Here's one for reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZ_a6gL0f4 . Listening to the CEO of YouTube cry "but think of the content crea…

I don't think peoples complaints of YouTube are invalid at all. But I think it is interesting how much credit these people that monetize YouTube don't give google at all. Video hosting has always been expensive comparatively. They are large files. You tube stores multiple resolutions of your files. YouTube hosting your video is free. You don't pay for it. These people that are bringing in $500 - $4,000 crying that 'y…

Monetized videos are not hosted for free. They are hosted for a percentage of the revenue.

Only free videos are hosted for free, so basically be de-monetizing the videos Youtube brings the hosting costs on themselves, among other things.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by mikejb »

DanBC wrote: post #55
qubax wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders To be fair, youtube was forced to do so because of corporate, news/media and political pressure. People forget that youtube also fought against the DMCA and corporate/media pressure before they lost…

Youtube's contentID is pretty poor, and easily abused. The DMCA seems to be widely misued. The new EU law isn't great, but it forces Youtube to design systems that don't catch non-infringing content. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20180906IPR... > Any action taken by platforms to check that uploads do not breach copyright rules must be designed in such a way as to avoid catching “non-infringing work…

> The new EU law isn't great, but it forces Youtube to design systems that don't catch non-infringing content.

combine this with:

> Parliament’s position toughens the Commission’s proposed plans to make online platforms and aggregators liable for copyright infringements.

(emphasis mine)

tl;dr: Design a system for a platform where you filter out every copyright infringement, because you're liable for them, but yo're not allowed to have any false positives.

I can see why they're having trouble with this.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by vetinari »

inetknght wrote: post #70
tialaramex wrote: post #56

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> an illegitimate DMCA takedown request would be a felony No. DMCA takedown requests go like this "I represent Bozo Media, they own all sharks wearing hats, and this video is infringing on their rights, take it down" The only part that's under penalty of perjury (a felony) is the claim that you represent Bozo Media. If you do, you have not committed a crime regardless of whether the rest of what you wrote is obvious…

A DCMA request should also include a statement claiming truthiness at penalty of perjury, shouldn't it?

Yes, but only about the representation part, not the claim part, as tialaramex pointed out.

Warner vs Hotfile: "Warner adds that the DMCA only requires the penalty of perjury statement to confirm that the sender represents the copyright holder, not that the allegedly infringing links point to their copyrighted material, they say."

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by WC3w6pXxgGd »

pjc50 wrote: post #35

Just so we're all on the same page, this is article 13.1: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... "Information society service providers that store and provide to the public access to large amounts of works or other subject-matter uploaded by their users shall, in cooperation with rightholders, take measures to ensure the functioning of agreements concluded with rightholders for the use of the…

As written, that sounds like indecipherable garbage.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by SmallDeadGuy »

tialaramex wrote: post #56
pluma wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't DMCA. The problem is Content ID, which allows rights holders to take down other creators' content automatically. YouTube goes out of its way to grant rights holders a level of control that wouldn't be possible with a strict interpretation of the DMCA because an illegitimate DMCA takedown request would be a felony whereas an illegitimate Content ID claim goes unpunished. EDIT: Note however that Artic…

> an illegitimate DMCA takedown request would be a felony No. DMCA takedown requests go like this "I represent Bozo Media, they own all sharks wearing hats, and this video is infringing on their rights, take it down" The only part that's under penalty of perjury (a felony) is the claim that you represent Bozo Media. If you do, you have not committed a crime regardless of whether the rest of what you wrote is obvious…

> Maybe Bozo actually only owns "Toothy the hat-wearing shark", a large orange cartoon shark. Doesn't matter, not a crime to claim they own more.

I didn't know that, why not? I would have assumed it was but then I'm not a legal expert.

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