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Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by mackrevinack »

jorvi wrote: post #41
bigiain wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't there at least some controversy about that (perhaps it's only a disgruntled competitor who jumps on every second post I see mentioning them, but I'm 99% sure I've seen a few questions/accusations levelled at them...) Having said that - seeing them vouched for by the Mozilla Foundation seems to be a significantly better indicator of their trustworthiness than this post from a day or two ago: https://news.ycombin…

I take it you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17258203 ? I fully agree that ProtonVPN seems like a poor choice, considering all the controversy around them, especially when its backed up by that much evidence. Mullvad, Private Internet Access, TorGuard etc. would have been a better choice, but perhaps Mozilla didn't want to look like it was picking sides among 'established' VPNs..

Stay away from PIA. One of their employees was caught red handed spreading false information about other VPNs a few months back. The guy's google profile picture was in one of the screenshots. It was half covered by another window but it was enough to figure out who he was

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by wtmt »

There doesn't seem to be a way to sign up for this directly. If one wants to support Mozilla through this, it looks like one has to be in the U.S. (or fake being in the U.S. with a free account of ProtonVPN) and hope to be picked up by random for this experiment.

Anyone from Mozilla or ProtonVPN reading this and can confirm that this understanding is correct?

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by GordonS »

ryan-c wrote: post #51
IngoBlechschmid wrote: post #6

Honest question: Why not bundle Tor, instead of relying on a proprietary VPN service? It seems that Tor satisfies the advertised use case ("insecure public WiFi") just as well.

TBH, I'd be more comfortable using insecure public wifi than I would be using Tor. Tor hides the source of your communication, and evades filtering. It does not protect the contents of your communications from eavesdropping. It's trivial to set up Tor exits to log traffic, and people do.

If you're hitting a TLS-enabled site, then exit nodes can't see the content of your traffic, only the destination IP/host. Exit nodes also can't see your source IP, only the IP of the relay node.

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by GordonS »

intopieces wrote: post #11
IngoBlechschmid wrote: post #6

Honest question: Why not bundle Tor, instead of relying on a proprietary VPN service? It seems that Tor satisfies the advertised use case ("insecure public WiFi") just as well.

Is Tor still super slow?

If you last tried it several years ago, you will be pleasantly surprised with how fast it is now (I was). It used to be practically unusable, but most of the time I now don't notice any slowdown at all for normal browsing.

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by qbaqbaqba »

nyxtom wrote: post #57
_8j50 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look,you're missing two very important points here. 1) yes,vpn providers crunch the numbers and come at a different conclusion. This is because they sell privacy before anything else. You don't gamble on the heart of your business model unless you intended to sell out your users from the begining. And there are well vetted providers run by well known individuals with a lot to lose if they sell out users. 2) It is in…

I would actually love it if Mozilla ends up operating protonmail and brings over firefox mail of sorts.

I don't want another all in one behemoth corporation. I want a browser that's not connected to any services but sports open protocols. I hope protonmail remains independent.

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by Jobjobbing »

tom4000 wrote: post #75

Why Proton VPN and not something privacy friendly? As ProtonVPN like NordVPN is run by Tesonet is has the same issues. Why does Mozilla trust in Tesonet and why should their users do? http://vpnscam.com/heres-why-you-cant-trust-nordvpn-and-prot...

When will people stop dragging this bs article over the internet? There aren't any physical facts showing that ProtonVPN or NordVPN shouldn't be trusted! Only these false accusations spread by competitor troll band. Or are u one of them?

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by mrweasel »

preinheimer wrote: post #3

(disclaimer I guess I own a company that offers VPN services, it's like ~1% of revenue though). I think this seems like a bit much. I'd love Firefox to double down on building a great browser, rather than getting into Pocket, VPN, a Phone, IOT, etc. Sure, a VPN can be really helpful when you're on sketchy open wifi, or other adversarial network conditions. But you're still trusting someone to handle your connections…

What I don't understand is why everyone needs VPNs all of the sudden. There must be a ton of money in selling VPNs, every YouTuber seems to be sponsored by a VPN provider, and now Mozilla is getting in on the action?

As others have pointed out, Mozilla is a for-profit, and I doubt that they would be able to keep up with the development of Chrome if they where not. That being said I wish I'd keep their focus on the browser part it self, and avoid going in the direction of Chrome, which have basically become an OS without a kernel.

While it is a little hypocritical, I would wish that they'd add Chromecast support to Firefox. That's really the only feature I'm missing.

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by dsissitka »

mackrevinack wrote: post #71
jorvi wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take it you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17258203 ? I fully agree that ProtonVPN seems like a poor choice, considering all the controversy around them, especially when its backed up by that much evidence. Mullvad, Private Internet Access, TorGuard etc. would have been a better choice, but perhaps Mozilla didn't want to look like it was picking sides among 'established' VPNs..

Stay away from PIA. One of their employees was caught red handed spreading false information about other VPNs a few months back. The guy's google profile picture was in one of the screenshots. It was half covered by another window but it was enough to figure out who he was

My Google-fu is failing me. Source?

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by detaro »

jorvi wrote: post #41
bigiain wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't there at least some controversy about that (perhaps it's only a disgruntled competitor who jumps on every second post I see mentioning them, but I'm 99% sure I've seen a few questions/accusations levelled at them...) Having said that - seeing them vouched for by the Mozilla Foundation seems to be a significantly better indicator of their trustworthiness than this post from a day or two ago: https://news.ycombin…

I take it you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17258203 ? I fully agree that ProtonVPN seems like a poor choice, considering all the controversy around them, especially when its backed up by that much evidence. Mullvad, Private Internet Access, TorGuard etc. would have been a better choice, but perhaps Mozilla didn't want to look like it was picking sides among 'established' VPNs..

Why should I trust those comments over Mozilla when they say they looked into the details of the service they promote?
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