I was very glad I still had my printed dictionaries that day they digged the cables over by accident. I'm not going to loose a large part of my functional literacy, just because the power/internet goes out. Even if it only happened one time for the rest of my life, it would be worth the 20cm of shelf space it claimed.
If Printed Dictionaries Are History, What'll Children Sit on to Reach the Table?
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Re: If Printed Dictionaries Are History, What'll Children Sit on to Reach the Table?
#72I have a certain nostalgia for dictionaries as well. That is, until I actually end up having to use one nowadays. It one of these problems that modern technology has completely and utterly superseded. You can find people arguing for the superiority of analog audio or film cameras (if only for purely subjective or emotional reasons) but I wonder if you'll find many people who still go out of their ways to use a paper…
It's honestly not that bad once you learn a little about recognizing the radicals [0] that make up each character. The way these dictionaries work, at least for Japanese, is that you first lookup the main radical, and then you just need the stroke count [1] of the second component. These radicals/components are reused often so once you learn how to write a few of them you can get decent at counting the strokes (a dictionary I perused actually recommends breaking the non-radical part into common components and just summing up their parts to count faster). This narrows it down pretty well and then you just have to visually search for the character.
There are also alternative methods that can be used such as that of Kodansha's Kanji Learner's Dictionary [1], which uses a three-number code, with the first being how the radical and its component are visually oriented, and the other two their respective stroke counts. I've also learned the four corner method, [2] and while it can seem deceptively simple, it's also remarkably unintuitive in what part of the kanji is considered a corner (and also relies on a specific writing of the kanji).
Of course modern technology does make it a tad easier, especially for those who have no clue about things like radicals. The online dictionary Jisho [3] for example lets you search by radicals where you can select each radical—even a sub-component—regardless of position, and it'll just give you a set of kanji containing those radicals, ordered by total stroke count. You can also draw the kanji, but in my experience this works very sub-optimally, and still depends on using the right number of the ever-important stroke count. I own a denshi jisho [4] which lets you draw the kanji with a stylus, and that works a lot better.
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_(Chinese_characters)
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodansha_Kanji_Learner%27s_Dic...
[2]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-Corner_Method
[3]: https://jisho.org/
[4]: Literally "electronic dictionary", they're veritable beasts, and contain not only multiple Japanese dictionaries, they also have specialized dictionaries (like business), J-E and E-J dictionaries, pronunciation dictionaries with audio, encyclopedias, other multilingual phrasebooks, practice for the TOEIC, and so many more that are too numerous to list.
Re: If Printed Dictionaries Are History, What'll Children Sit on to Reach the Table?
#73Why, the phone book, of course. Usually the yellow pages, if you were in a reasonably sized metropolis. Nobody used a dictionary; I can’t imagine where this misinformation came from. The advantage of using a phone book was that a new one was delivered, completely for free, every year, so you just had to hang on to an old one if you were particularly fastidious, and otherwise just used the current one. And they were s…
For the younger readers, phonebooks were the ad supported contact directories that preceded search engines. They were forcefully delivered to just about any address with a landline across the country (typicaly yearly, sometimes by multiple publishers). People found alternate uses for them.
Re: If Printed Dictionaries Are History, What'll Children Sit on to Reach the Table?
#74I recently tackled a book that was rather above my French reading level. It only took about half an hour spent fumbling with my Larousse before I plunked down $6 on their iOS app so that I could get back to reading my book. That weekend, my trusty old dictionary and I paid a visit to the used bookstore. It's hard for me to imagine an information technology that's been more thoroughly superseded than the print diction…
I've had the reverse impression over recent years: dictionary sites have become so bloated and unusable, between ads, comment systems, inefficient JS, and abysmal "mobile-friendly" pages I've gone back to my old hardcover whenever convenient. I imagine part of this is use-case, however: I tend to use a dictionary infrequently, mainly when I'm reading with the shelf within reach, so the overhead of launching an app or…
Though, agreed with others that Wiktionary is good. It often offers higher-quality entries than the commercial ones, too.
Re: If Printed Dictionaries Are History, What'll Children Sit on to Reach the Table?
#75Printed dictionaries are basically ordered lists with metadata, so look-ups are O(lg n), and by a human no less! Online dictionaries are likely to be backed by, well, a dictionary , which allows for O(1) look-ups.
The advanced of printed dictionaries is that there is no latency in the loading of information onto a page.