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Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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Without effective weapons, many will die. Nobody picks a fight with someone who can effectively fight back.

Thats why every country should have nuclear weapons. There would be so much deterrance that nobody would go for war!

In spite of the sarcasm, it's actually a good argument.

Warfare before the advent of nuclear weapons was a devastatingly bloody affair, with death tolls in the hundreds of thousands. And warfare these days in which only one side or neither has nuclear weapons is much the same.

But when two nuclear powers fight? There are skirmishes. Proxy wars. Posturing and arms races and diplomacy and . . . very little bloodshed. For all its terror and danger and struggle, the Cold War did not wipe out an entire generation of young men the way previous World Wars had. As violent and bloody a past as India and Pakistan have had, once they both went nuclear, they settled down. They still fight, but it's limited. Neither side wants it to escalate out of control.

That is the nature of strategic weapons. Nobody wants to pick a fight with a country that has ICBMs or B-52s. Heck, countries that have them don't want to pick fights with each other. What could they hope to win that would offset the staggering losses they could incur?

As they say, an armed society is a polite society. It scales right up to nations.

Raptor is such a weapon. Not because of the casualties it could inflict -- it can carry only a paltry eight missiles, or a couple medium bombs -- but because of what it does to an air force.

The Air Force periodically goes out for large force exercises -- where they get a huge number of jets together in the air, and act out something as close to a real war as they can. The last few years Raptor's been going to those, and its numbers are astonishing. They match up Red with tons of 4 or 4.5 gen fighters against Blue with a few 4 gen fighters and a few Raptors. And Blue wins. With a kill ratio like 180-0 or 241-2. [1]

Nobody wants to pick a fight with that.

There are two ways to get a country to resolve its conflicts with you peacefully. One is to trust in their good nature and dislike for bloodshed. The other is to make fighting not an option. The second route is more reliable in my opinion, and strategic weapons accomplish it.

If you hate war, you should love Raptor. Just sitting on the tarmac, it saves lives. American lives, yeah, but Chinese or North Korean or Russian lives too. It prevents war and forces people to pursue peace.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor#Service_history

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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Come on. The risk was very low. 1. Drive infront 2. Match the speed 3. Slowly reduce speed so that the car behind knocks into your back bumper at a relative speed of like 1 mph. Maybe you feel a tiny bump. 4. Apply brakes Yes it's impressive, but I'd be willing to bet it's not that dangerous at all. The very very worst case scenario is that you don't match the speed very well and get rear ended, which is pretty much…

Ways this could fail: - breaks are not even across the wheels, he spins and goes right back into the traffic, guy behind falls over after driving the other way into the barrier - collision affects one of the front wheels of the car behind, that car turns into the traffic - minivan either separates or gets locked due to collision - engine in minivan stalls after collision, break assist stop working, simply pressing th…

"But for me, my family in the car is infinitely more important than potential damage that might be caused by an unknown person in an car that's under no control."

I'm glad someone remembered this. Saving someone else might be a good thing, but saving your own family is definitely heroic.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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That's why I don't like driving: because it is other people's mistakes that can destroy my life.

On mass transit, you only have to watch out for the nutters who shove people in front of oncoming trains. :) (I'm a big fan of public transit, and use it every day. But I always look around me when the train is approaching, or get my back to the wall.)

Same here - probably too much paranoia, but then again it does not cost much to stick to the platform wall :-)

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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not to mention "Without consulting the passengers in his minivan — "there was no time to take a vote" — Innes kicked into engineer mode." more like "Innes kicked into irresponsible mode risking other people's lives to try something he probably saw on a movie"

Come on. The risk was very low. 1. Drive infront 2. Match the speed 3. Slowly reduce speed so that the car behind knocks into your back bumper at a relative speed of like 1 mph. Maybe you feel a tiny bump. 4. Apply brakes Yes it's impressive, but I'd be willing to bet it's not that dangerous at all. The very very worst case scenario is that you don't match the speed very well and get rear ended, which is pretty much…

It's not the same having a car hit you at 1 mph when you're stationary than when you're both doing 40 mph and the guy behind is unconscious. A number of things can go wrong.

The moment you have other people in your vehicle you're _responsible_ for their lives. Now everyone is cheering because it worked out but it could have easily ended up as a [Retard] tag on Fark.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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I don't understand how this worked. If Pace's foot was still on the accelerator, wouldn't it be difficult to get his truck to slow down?

I think what may have helped was the fact that at 40mph, the vehicle was likely in 3rd gear or so. After initially slowing it down, the higher gear would mean that the engine would produce less torque and make it easier to slow down.

Re: Engineer saves man by crashing into him on purpose

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post #67

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That's why I don't like driving: because it is other people's mistakes that can destroy my life.

On mass transit, you only have to watch out for the nutters who shove people in front of oncoming trains. :) (I'm a big fan of public transit, and use it every day. But I always look around me when the train is approaching, or get my back to the wall.)

Not really a problem in this part of the world. Though I do like to stand a safe distance from the edge as a train rolls in. There have been a few incidents where mothers with prams forgot to put brakes on the pram has rolled onto the track as train came on. Though both instances I recall had a lucky ending. It doesn't help that the platforms which were build in the days when railways were fully staffed are built slopping towards the track for drainage.
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