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Amazon Atlas: The “Highly Confidential” locations of Amazon's data centers

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Re: Amazon Atlas: The “Highly Confidential” locations of Amazon's data centers

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Post by ceejayoz »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #21
mey wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WikiLeaks may not have the mission statement you think it does.

Insert some bullshit about working with Russia, bla, bla, bla, China, Iran, any country the U.S. doesn't like? If so, I don't think that's it, as much as the DNC would like to detract from conspiring against Sanders. WikiLeaks does have biases, sure, like Assange not liking Clinton, since she called for his droning, however if you actually read more about WikiLeaks than the surface reports, it is simply that they bel…

> if you actually read more about WikiLeaks than the surface reports, it is simply that they believe in complete transparency of powerful actors to hold them to account

That simply isn't borne out by the evidence.

They whined about anti-Trump leaks. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/817322050297745408

Re: Amazon Atlas: The “Highly Confidential” locations of Amazon's data centers

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Post by ceejayoz »

yasp wrote: post #47
wnevets wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikileaks desires whatever putin tells them to desire.

Is there any evidence that Wikileaks works for Russia, as opposed to some other nation state, eg China or Iran?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#Allegations_of_Russi...

Re: Amazon Atlas: The “Highly Confidential” locations of Amazon's data centers

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

patrickg_zill wrote: post #39

This in no way harms Amazon in terms of security, though it may have a PR implication or possibly allow others to take Amazon to task in some way. Security by obscurity cannot be relied upon.

Well, Amazon had a very deliberate policy of keeping this stuff secret, and went to some lengths to keep it that way.

I agree it's hardly a death-knell for them, it's more of a hiccup, but they didn't want this to happen.

Re: Amazon Atlas: The “Highly Confidential” locations of Amazon's data centers

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Post by AndyMcConachie »

morpheuskafka wrote: post #6

How come WikiLeaks is distributing this? I don't see any meaningful connection to government transparency or even corporate transparency... this has nothing to do with abuse of power, it is completely normal and rightful for a company to keep its infrastructure locations secret. Some of this could be found through public records, etc. and that fine to post, but internal operating procedures are not. Sure, it's fun to…

It's from 2015.

Re: Amazon Atlas: The “Highly Confidential” locations of Amazon's data centers

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Post by AsyncAwait »

ceejayoz wrote: post #71
AsyncAwait wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insert some bullshit about working with Russia, bla, bla, bla, China, Iran, any country the U.S. doesn't like? If so, I don't think that's it, as much as the DNC would like to detract from conspiring against Sanders. WikiLeaks does have biases, sure, like Assange not liking Clinton, since she called for his droning, however if you actually read more about WikiLeaks than the surface reports, it is simply that they bel…

> if you actually read more about WikiLeaks than the surface reports, it is simply that they believe in complete transparency of powerful actors to hold them to account That simply isn't borne out by the evidence. They whined about anti-Trump leaks. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/817322050297745408

> They whined about anti-Trump leaks.

I don't like Trump as much as the next guy, but I think we should be consistent and all leaks should be either a.) fine b.) illegal.

If there are "sanctioned leaks", well that's super convenient for the current administration, but not for democracy.

Re: Amazon Atlas: The “Highly Confidential” locations of Amazon's data centers

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Post by privateprofile »

Latteland wrote: post #50
nabla9 wrote: post #24

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Amazon is making local governments to compete against each others for data center locations, so it's in the public interest to know the locations. For example, you can compare at the location, electricity cost, infrastructure, tax schemes and tax revenue etc. in local level and see how important they are for Amazon and maybe even estimate the benefit of having Amazon. The location of Amazon data centers is not hidden…

Another perhaps less known aspect of these tax giveaways is that the details are kept secret. They are often embarrassingly huge giveaways, that's one of the reasons they aren't public [1]. I wish we could stop corporate giveaways. I love the software work that amazon is pioneering, they are pushing the envelope, doing great work, enabling companies to grow and do new things. But they are one of the richest companies…

I absolutely agree. Essentially, corporations with huge revenue streams get major tax advantages that are not available to local companies in exchange for "creating jobs".

It turns out that each of those jobs is so costly to taxpayers that the only real benefit is for the politicians that announce the "partnerships" (and the receiving company, obviously).

Here's a couple of interesting articles on the matter:

- https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/us/how-local-taxpayers-ba...

- https://www.theguardian.com/cities/ng-interactive/2018/jul/0...

Re: Amazon Atlas: The “Highly Confidential” locations of Amazon's data centers

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Post by ksajadi »

nabla9 wrote: post #24
morpheuskafka wrote: post #6

How come WikiLeaks is distributing this? I don't see any meaningful connection to government transparency or even corporate transparency... this has nothing to do with abuse of power, it is completely normal and rightful for a company to keep its infrastructure locations secret. Some of this could be found through public records, etc. and that fine to post, but internal operating procedures are not. Sure, it's fun to…

Amazon is making local governments to compete against each others for data center locations, so it's in the public interest to know the locations. For example, you can compare at the location, electricity cost, infrastructure, tax schemes and tax revenue etc. in local level and see how important they are for Amazon and maybe even estimate the benefit of having Amazon. The location of Amazon data centers is not hidden…

Then shouldn’t they publish the documents showing those giveaways instead which surely makes more sense, doesn’t put AWS customers at potential risk and holds local governments accountable?

The simple thing is to put anything you get your hands on online under the opaque umbrella of public interest. The responsible thing to do is to run with it, find the local governments in those areas and file requests for the records of any transactions to be made public. That would be in public interest. Dumping anything that has a SECRET written on it is not always a good thing.

Re: Amazon Atlas: The “Highly Confidential” locations of Amazon's data centers

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Post by jsjohnst »

sschueller wrote: post #14
morpheuskafka wrote: post #6

How come WikiLeaks is distributing this? I don't see any meaningful connection to government transparency or even corporate transparency... this has nothing to do with abuse of power, it is completely normal and rightful for a company to keep its infrastructure locations secret. Some of this could be found through public records, etc. and that fine to post, but internal operating procedures are not. Sure, it's fun to…

Doesn't the CIA have a contract with Amazon to use AWS?

Yes, the US government does, but the AWS Cloud for government is mostly (entirely?) not included here. This list is also highly incomplete otherwise unrelated to government as well (us-east-2 region isn't covered at all for example).

Re: Amazon Atlas: The “Highly Confidential” locations of Amazon's data centers

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Post by ceejayoz »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #76
ceejayoz wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you actually read more about WikiLeaks than the surface reports, it is simply that they believe in complete transparency of powerful actors to hold them to account That simply isn't borne out by the evidence. They whined about anti-Trump leaks. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/817322050297745408

> They whined about anti-Trump leaks. I don't like Trump as much as the next guy, but I think we should be consistent and all leaks should be either a.) fine b.) illegal. If there are "sanctioned leaks", well that's super convenient for the current administration, but not for democracy.

There's all sorts of discussion that can be had regarding leaks, sanctioned vs. unsanctioned, how they're used politically, etc.

It remains illuminatingly inconsistent that Wikileaks would oppose certain leaks.

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