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Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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> erythritol (looks, feels and cooks almost exactly like sugar) The taste is quite different though.

Perhaps. This is subjective. But I could hardly tell the difference.

The taste difference will never let it pass as candy on its own. It has to be used in foods where other flavors can dominate it, and only let the sweetness through.

It's not like it's bad, though. It's just not what sucrose-eaters are accustomed to.

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Seems like everything has artificial sweeteners nowadays. It's a trend that I noticed only in the last couple of years. And not just fizzy drinks like Sprite or Pepsi - which have sugar and sweetener! - but breakfast cereals, yoghurts, ketchup-like sauces... all have "no added sugar" on the package, you dig a bit deeper and they are full of sweeteners. Chewing gum and other "healthy sweet" products like that have use…

> Clearly bad for your gut or you wouldn't be getting these side effects. That's not how that works. Ifyou eat too much fruit the sugar in that can cause a laxative effect,and the mecahnism is the same as with suga alcohols. The undigested sugar causes osmosis, which floods the gut with water, which causes diarrhea.

There have been studies done where patients were given lots of fruit and it did not cause a laxative effect.

https://nutritionfacts.org/2017/02/23/can-you-eat-too-much-f...

> Seventeen people were made to eat 20 servings a day of fruit. Despite the extraordinarily high fructose content of this diet, presumably about 200 g/d—eight cans of soda worth, the investigators reported no adverse effects (and possible benefit actually) for body weight, blood pressure, and insulin and lipid levels after three to six months.

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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The article doesn't say which sweeteners did they study and this is a very bad style. Fortunately it links to an article on EurekAlert which in its turn links to the actual scientific paper (doi.org/10.3390/molecules23102454). It says aspartame, sucralose, saccharine, neotame, advantame and acesulfame potassium-k (ace-k) (BTW at least saccharine and ace-k are already known to be carcinogenic AFAIK) were tested agains…

BTW at least saccharine and ace-k are already known to be carcinogenic AFAIK

It would appear that the US FDA and European FSA disagree with you on that subject.

Concerning saccharin:

In a December 14, 2010 release, the EPA stated that saccharin is no longer considered a potential hazard to human health

Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccharin

Concerning Acesulfame potassium

Critics say acesulfame potassium has not been studied adequately and may be carcinogenic, although these claims have been dismissed by the European Food Safety Authority and FDA

Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acesulfame_potassium

Plus a report that lactobacillus concentration may actually be enhanced by artificial sweeteners:

In vitro analyses of Lactobacillus 4228 growth characteristics showed that presence of NHDC significantly reduces the lag phase of growth and enhances expression of specific sugar transporters, independently of NHDC metabolism. This study suggests that sensing of NHDC by a bacterial plasma membrane receptor underlies sweetener-induced growth of a health promoting gut bacterium.

Bacterial sensing underlies artificial sweetener-induced growth of gut Lactobacillus

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/278045609_Bacterial...

Plus one of the last hold-outs to declassification of saccharin as carcinogenic was Health Canada which based the original prohibition on University of Nebraska studies but later concluded:

Such sodium salts, the council said, “produce tumours only when administered at high doses and only in rats,” thus “the mechanism by which the rats develop cancer is not present in humans.”

https://www.agcanada.com/daily/saccharin-cleared-for-use-in-...

Appears the jury is still out.

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

#76

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If someone is sick, they'll become slow. All they'll want to do is lie down some place quiet. Watch kids, healthy kids. After a meal, all they want to do is run, talk, jump - move. Sitting still is the last thing they want to do. My point is perhaps, sedentary behavior is caused by something, a symptom outside the control of those afflicted by it. Here are some culprits we could explore: Schooling: Being trained, for…

Refined oils, fat, and animal protien cause arterial hardening immediately, lasting for several hours. Keep ingesting and you end up with heart disease....arteries filled with plaque restricting blood flow, raspiration, mental function. Ingesting refined sugar and flour causes an insulin spike (make fat out of carbs!) that lasts for hours causing a crash and repeated cravings for...more carbs. This leads to diabetes.…

Fat is slept on macronutrient because of the misguided idea that increased fat = increased cholesterol in arteries. Vitamin K2 is an important vitamin that isn't metabolized well from foods containing K1 (vegetables). Animal sources and natto (fermented soy beans) are the best sources of it. It has been shown to help with heart disease, cancer and bone health.

The interesting thing with animal protein is that no study has shown a dose dependent increase in cancer when consuming more of it. Chronic inflammation from gluten, processed foods, pesticides, refined carbs, and refined sugars are the biggest culprits in dietary endorsed cancer.

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Seems like everything has artificial sweeteners nowadays. It's a trend that I noticed only in the last couple of years. And not just fizzy drinks like Sprite or Pepsi - which have sugar and sweetener! - but breakfast cereals, yoghurts, ketchup-like sauces... all have "no added sugar" on the package, you dig a bit deeper and they are full of sweeteners. Chewing gum and other "healthy sweet" products like that have use…

> Clearly bad for your gut or you wouldn't be getting these side effects. That's not how that works. Ifyou eat too much fruit the sugar in that can cause a laxative effect,and the mecahnism is the same as with suga alcohols. The undigested sugar causes osmosis, which floods the gut with water, which causes diarrhea.

Right, and this isn't "Clearly bad for your gut" how? Nobody is claiming that eating "too much fruit" is good for your gut.

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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Seems like everything has artificial sweeteners nowadays. It's a trend that I noticed only in the last couple of years. And not just fizzy drinks like Sprite or Pepsi - which have sugar and sweetener! - but breakfast cereals, yoghurts, ketchup-like sauces... all have "no added sugar" on the package, you dig a bit deeper and they are full of sweeteners. Chewing gum and other "healthy sweet" products like that have use…

> breakfast cereals, yoghurts, ketchup-like sauces

If you're trying to avoid both sugar and sweeteners, those aren't the kinds of foods you're going to be eating... Unless you're referring to plain oats and plain yoghurt, which surely must be available unsweetened and unadulterated.

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

#79

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How is dextrose in a sugar packet filler? That makes no sense to me. Maybe it's just a confusion of terms.

Maybe they meant cellulose?

Cellulose is used as an anti-caking/anti-clumping additive. It doesn't add bulk like the puffed up dextrose or maltodextrin does.

Re: Study: Artificial sweeteners toxic to digestive gut bacteria

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I feel like we're ignoring scale here. 16 packets of Splenda in a mouse's stomach.

You might be right, I was inferring that the 16 packets was for human levels, but after reading it over again I am not sure that is the case.

A mouse is like 20g. No way are they shoving 16g's of splenda into one.
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