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Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

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Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#71

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Not crash?

It was in manual mode. Should it forcibly take away control from the user that gave it a direct command, because it "thinks" they're not paying attention?

The whole POINT of manual mode is (quite possibly) the car’s interpretation of the situation is wrong and CAN’T be safely followed.

If you add safety measures to manual (possible outcome of GP’s comment) then you’re back at not having a manual safety override.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was in manual mode. Should it forcibly take away control from the user that gave it a direct command, because it "thinks" they're not paying attention?

The whole POINT of manual mode is (quite possibly) the car’s interpretation of the situation is wrong and CAN’T be safely followed. If you add safety measures to manual (possible outcome of GP’s comment) then you’re back at not having a manual safety override.

That's my point :)

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#73

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Not crash?

It was in manual mode. Should it forcibly take away control from the user that gave it a direct command, because it "thinks" they're not paying attention?

It never should have allowed the vehicle to proceed with a fatigued driver, and the company should have policies in place to prevent this (maxmimum hours, dual operators, etc.)

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#74
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was in manual mode. Should it forcibly take away control from the user that gave it a direct command, because it "thinks" they're not paying attention?

The whole POINT of manual mode is (quite possibly) the car’s interpretation of the situation is wrong and CAN’T be safely followed. If you add safety measures to manual (possible outcome of GP’s comment) then you’re back at not having a manual safety override.

Self driving cars are supposedly utilizing AI. If the AI is this fragile, then it is no where near being ready for public consumption.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#75

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Uber’s fatal crash was caused by a crazy, suicidal person who literally stepped in front of the car. A human driver couldn’t have avoided her.

That is completely false. Any decent camera or eyesight from the car's point of view would have seen the pedestrian well in advance enough to avoid that crash. Uber's fatal crash was caused by the car being programmed to ignore stationary/slow moving objects in the way.

Not quite. The camera only systems were confused, but the lidar systems were completely certain that a collision was iminent with enough time to prevent the collision or at least reduce injuries.

Unfortunately the lidar did not have control of the system, did not have override capability, and could not notify the driver in an emergency in any way. It was effectively disabled from the perspective of vehicle control and safety.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole POINT of manual mode is (quite possibly) the car’s interpretation of the situation is wrong and CAN’T be safely followed. If you add safety measures to manual (possible outcome of GP’s comment) then you’re back at not having a manual safety override.

Self driving cars are supposedly utilizing AI. If the AI is this fragile, then it is no where near being ready for public consumption.

Which is why they’re not selling it to the public yet. They’re testing. And they NEED a working manual mode for that.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#77

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You might not mind, but someone who can't drive or bike does.

... as does the person whose house gets knocked down to make room for the new rail line.

Fuck them

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

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That tester detected a serious bug in the whole concept, inadvertently risking his life during testing. He should've been promoted.

This is definitely the correct response - what is the role of testing if not to uncover flaws in both design and implementation?

To seek out flaws and report the ones they find, yes. That is their job.

Their job is not to flake on duty and then, by pure accident, reveal the system's inability to recover from a failure more.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self driving cars are supposedly utilizing AI. If the AI is this fragile, then it is no where near being ready for public consumption.

Which is why they’re not selling it to the public yet. They’re testing. And they NEED a working manual mode for that.

They do. But letting their manual operators fall asleep and trigger it is not good at all.

Re: Waymo self-driving car crashed when driver fell asleep and triggered manual mode

#80

That tester detected a serious bug in the whole concept, inadvertently risking his life during testing. He should've been promoted.

> a serious bug in the whole concept Manual driving mode bell is not loud enough?

Wake up jolt needs to apply 240v to the backside of the driver.
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