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Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers

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RF/Microwave EE here. I actually tried this on myself several years ago with no effect. Specifically 20W at C-band into a 10 dBi standard gain horn a few feet away, pulse mod to 1 kHz. That was still not near enough power density. While it’s plausible, it would take a big effort to affect this many people. The peak power densities, as described in the paper, would be tens of W/cm^2; e.g. radar transmitters and big an…

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The 9th division of the KGB (responsible for the safety of all the members of Politburo, including the leader of the USSR) had 3000 personnel." "After the fall of the USSR, the president (Boris Yeltsin) had a private guard of 18,000 personnel. Far more government leaders were guarded than they were during the USSR." Quotes above from "From the KGB to the FSB" by Eugene Michalevich If you are interested, there is a b…

>If the book is to be believed, security was very light. Light compared to what? Numerically, yes. It was making no sense to have more than a regiment of them in a country where the total number of 3 letter agencies staff was comparable to standing army. But the level of paranoia was not light whatsoever. Yeltsin on the other hand had to live under a constant threat of armed uprising by the same three letter agencies…

Light compared to virtually any "important" person today.

"Yeltsin on the other hand had to live under a constant threat of armed uprising by the same three letter agencies. The internal threat had an entirely different nature."

Shouldn't have disbanded Vympel because they refused to storm the white house and risk a ton of casualties. Yeltsin was a drunk, useless coward.

Oh, and he also re-organized the KGB/MVD/FSB 3+ times.

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RF/Microwave EE here. I actually tried this on myself several years ago with no effect. Specifically 20W at C-band into a 10 dBi standard gain horn a few feet away, pulse mod to 1 kHz. That was still not near enough power density. While it’s plausible, it would take a big effort to affect this many people. The peak power densities, as described in the paper, would be tens of W/cm^2; e.g. radar transmitters and big an…

Good commentary but I wonder if inadvertently you may have been out-of-band in your research. In 'Auditory Response to Pulsed Radiofrequency Energy - Elder (2003)' URL: http://www.beperkdestraling.org/images/stories/Wetenschap/Ti... Auditory_Response_to_Pulsed_radiofrequency_energy.pdf Two salient points crop up: 1) 'The fundamental frequency of RF induced sounds is independent of the frequency of the radiowaves but…

aside: given it's a long link you have to add

Auditory_Response_to_Pulsed_radiofrequency_energy.pdf

to the address

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Is there a defense against this kind of thing? Not to sound cliche, but would a tin foil hat work?

A simple experiment result published by the MIT Media Lab, found tinfoil hats are not really effective. https://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csa... > For all helmets, we noticed a 30 db __amplification__ at 2.6 Ghz and a 20 db amplification at 1.2 Ghz, regardless of the position of the antenna on the cranium. In addition, all helmets exhibited a marked 20 db attenuation at around 1.5 Ghz, with no…

That MIT article is bunk. Everyone knows you need a diffraction grating, to diffuse fortuitous signals.

They didn’t even try produce effective results.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A simple experiment result published by the MIT Media Lab, found tinfoil hats are not really effective. https://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csa... > For all helmets, we noticed a 30 db __amplification__ at 2.6 Ghz and a 20 db amplification at 1.2 Ghz, regardless of the position of the antenna on the cranium. In addition, all helmets exhibited a marked 20 db attenuation at around 1.5 Ghz, with no…

You don't even need SDR... a really simple LED and a few variable antennas would do a good job into the GHz.

Do you need a Schottky or will the plain LED work?

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RF/Microwave EE here. I actually tried this on myself several years ago with no effect. Specifically 20W at C-band into a 10 dBi standard gain horn a few feet away, pulse mod to 1 kHz. That was still not near enough power density. While it’s plausible, it would take a big effort to affect this many people. The peak power densities, as described in the paper, would be tens of W/cm^2; e.g. radar transmitters and big an…

Good commentary but I wonder if inadvertently you may have been out-of-band in your research. In 'Auditory Response to Pulsed Radiofrequency Energy - Elder (2003)' URL: http://www.beperkdestraling.org/images/stories/Wetenschap/Ti... Auditory_Response_to_Pulsed_radiofrequency_energy.pdf Two salient points crop up: 1) 'The fundamental frequency of RF induced sounds is independent of the frequency of the radiowaves but…

Ha ha, probably so. It wasn’t research, I was just testing some equipment and figured I try it. It probably works best starting at 1/2 wavelength resonance of the brain, then maybe higher modes where a certain region may be stimulated. Just a hunch.

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RF/Microwave EE here. I actually tried this on myself several years ago with no effect. Specifically 20W at C-band into a 10 dBi standard gain horn a few feet away, pulse mod to 1 kHz. That was still not near enough power density. While it’s plausible, it would take a big effort to affect this many people. The peak power densities, as described in the paper, would be tens of W/cm^2; e.g. radar transmitters and big an…

Moreover, that would've certainly affected all unshielded electronics. Even older GSM phones had enough power to some times hang well shielded desktop PCs. And at the time all laptops were plasticky unshielded contraptions, that was even more evident.

I miss being able to hear incoming calls over my car's stereo before the phone even rang.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's super interesting? I never heard of this Frey Effect before, nor about the military's "active denial system".

The Frey guy even supports the theory that the Russians are coming here, infecting our bodily fluids. The active denial system was sold as a better water cannon to disperse protests, since it burns the skin over T-Shirts.

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Okay I'm skeptical. On the one side some 'bad other' could be using an undefined device to attack only American people, only in foreign lands, and for uncertain reasons. That narrative conveniently fuels paranoia and makes for good reading. Alternative explanations exist, based on well established medicine, which I think need air time, link below. Now, I'm all for exciting stories but this one keeps being resurrected…

From the linked article: "A score in the bottom 5% would typically mean there is a problem. But Shura pointed out that the diplomats were found to be “impaired” if they scored in the bottom 40% in any one of the tests. In their letter, the doctors said it was “inappropriate” to conclude that any of the patients were impaired. "

What these doctors are missing is the power of statistical correlation to separate signal from noise. Yes, a single individual testing below 40% means nothing, but 20 people (or however many it was) all from the same office testing below 40% is starting to be significant.

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Okay I'm skeptical. On the one side some 'bad other' could be using an undefined device to attack only American people, only in foreign lands, and for uncertain reasons. That narrative conveniently fuels paranoia and makes for good reading. Alternative explanations exist, based on well established medicine, which I think need air time, link below. Now, I'm all for exciting stories but this one keeps being resurrected…

>On the one side some 'bad other' could be using an undefined device to attack only American people, only in foreign lands, and for uncertain reasons. If someone were trying to sour US-Cuban relations, then it would make sense that only Americans in Cuba were targeted. It seems highly unlikely that 21 diplomats with the same symptoms (plus those in China) were afflicted with an innocuous medical condition. None of th…

I agree that it seems suspicious and this sort of weapon has loomed as a likely culprit from early on. There are very good reasons why someone would carry this out.

That said, I feel it would be irresponsible to deny the possibility of a collective delusion. Particularly in an environment where folks are in constant close contact and under a feeling of stress. In my opinion, it's less than highly unlikely.

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