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Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by nineteen999 »

throwaway8879 wrote: post #62
nineteen999 wrote: post #32

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Maybe for recorded mainstream pop music that is true, but we can tell because the performance then sounds bowdlerised and dull. It can't really help with a live performance and a for a good singer, recording multiple takes is going to be faster/more economical, punching in/out is so easy and with modern digital DAW's like ProTools (which does this by default) it keeps all your takes for you anyway - no need to waste…

Except you have no idea how any of those "fantastic vocal performances" were processed. Vocal effects go back a good 50 years.

Indeed, in terms of digital effects. And obviously there was experimentation with analog processing earlier than that, John Lennon's use of ADT on his vocals with the Beatles comes to mind and of course other analog effects like reverb go back to the 1940's. But I gave an example going back to the 1930's in my other comment above. The Boswells were one the biggest recording act in the world in the early 1930's and they didn't need any of that stuff.

Of course musicians have been able to splice their parts together since multitrack came into wide usage, eg. the guitar solo in Stairway to Heaven. But I kind of feel like use of digital correction is a bit overdone right now.

I appreciate I'm stepping into mostly subjective territory here though. It's like if somebody said to Hendrix, "hey Jimi, tune your guitar man". Or told Knopfler to stop playing dead notes, or Slash to stop missing notes altogether while not jumping off a drum riser. They could do those things but then to me it wouldn't feel like them.

I don't think I'm the only person who feels this way, but it's definitely personal & subjective.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by onion2k »

mirimir wrote: post #47
onion2k wrote: post #46

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who cares what you look like in some video? Everyone who watches television, movies, YouTube, etc. I know that's only a few people, but hey, it's a start.

I suppose. But then, what would be the hiring criteria? Lowest bid? Nice ass? And the focus here is "anyone", not professionals.

But then, what would be the hiring criteria?

Literally anything apart from someone's ability to dance. Instead of needing someone who can sing, act, look good, and dance, you now only need someone who can sing, act, and look good. And AI will eventually replace all the other talents too I guess.

This is why some people worry about the effect of AI on jobs.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by nineteen999 »

puranjay wrote: post #67
nineteen999 wrote: post #32

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Maybe for recorded mainstream pop music that is true, but we can tell because the performance then sounds bowdlerised and dull. It can't really help with a live performance and a for a good singer, recording multiple takes is going to be faster/more economical, punching in/out is so easy and with modern digital DAW's like ProTools (which does this by default) it keeps all your takes for you anyway - no need to waste…

As someone who likes to write and produce songs but can't sing, I'd say that auto-tune and pitch correction are a Godsend. It means I can try out new ideas without having to rely on a vocalist. Modern production tools have mostly eliminated the need to work with a band. I can create music that I want to create with complete artistic freedom. Auto-tune is just another step in that direction.

I think you make a good point. I can't sing well either and I love to track multiple instruments in my home studio, and I couldn't do that nearly as well without modern technology.

I guess I'd rather listen back to my crappy vocals and think hard about what I didn't like about them though, and work on improving that rather than try to make it something it's not with pitch correction. But everyone has a different way of working that works for them I suppose, which is why I ended my original comment with "each to their own".

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by usrusr »

mirimir wrote: post #66
Jaruzel wrote: post #57

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The biggest worry here, is where instead of hiring 20 dancers for a music video, they only hire one, and use AI to AutoDance[1] a bunch of low-cost actors instead. This could destroy the jobbing dancer-for-hire market. -- [1] AutoDance™ - Like AutoTune. I hereby claim it as a term. ;)

OK, I get that. But then, why bother hiring meat at all? Just CGI it entirely.

CGI could do it for quite a while now, just not at a price competitive with actual dancers. I'd think of this more as CGI automation than dancer automation. For dancers, only the video production part of their market is threatened, the stage part remains unaffected.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by throwaway8879 »

nineteen999 wrote: post #71
throwaway8879 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except you have no idea how any of those "fantastic vocal performances" were processed. Vocal effects go back a good 50 years.

Indeed, in terms of digital effects. And obviously there was experimentation with analog processing earlier than that, John Lennon's use of ADT on his vocals with the Beatles comes to mind and of course other analog effects like reverb go back to the 1940's. But I gave an example going back to the 1930's in my other comment above. The Boswells were one the biggest recording act in the world in the early 1930's and th…

Oh I agree. I think it's possible to dislike or even hate all the over-processed and over-produced commercial music that's been coming out for the last 2-3 decades while at the same time accepting that there are others out there who might genuinely like that kind of music.

I definitely understand your point about Hendrix, Knopfler and Slash. There's something beautiful about virtuoso playing that still sounds "raw", you know what I mean? I grew up obsessed with shred guitar, and there was a lot of that in the 80s/90s. There are younger guitar players on youtube these days who are miles ahead in terms of technical proficiency and production/effects but some of that authenticity is lost.

I recently saw a video of Ritchie Blackmore talking about Satriani's playing and how it's almost too technically perfect and loses some of the soul. I tend to agree. I have great respect for both of them though.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by nineteen999 »

throwaway8879 wrote: post #75
nineteen999 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, in terms of digital effects. And obviously there was experimentation with analog processing earlier than that, John Lennon's use of ADT on his vocals with the Beatles comes to mind and of course other analog effects like reverb go back to the 1940's. But I gave an example going back to the 1930's in my other comment above. The Boswells were one the biggest recording act in the world in the early 1930's and th…

Oh I agree. I think it's possible to dislike or even hate all the over-processed and over-produced commercial music that's been coming out for the last 2-3 decades while at the same time accepting that there are others out there who might genuinely like that kind of music. I definitely understand your point about Hendrix, Knopfler and Slash. There's something beautiful about virtuoso playing that still sounds "raw",…

I've always felt that way about Satriani and Vai to a lesser degree too. It's funny how specific we can be about what we like and don't like. Here I am extolling the virtues of sloppy or "more natural" singing and playing, but I can't listen to 90% of punk music for more than a few minutes.

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by browsercoin »

DrNuke wrote: post #70
eivarv wrote: post #69

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How would blockchain solve the issue?

Link a blockchain app made with IOTA (for example, but this is the best and most manageable protocol I can see out there just now) to your unique ID in the form of something like your heartbeat plus your physical location plus your actual body shape, then perform a mini-transaction every 30 seconds or every minute or the granularity you need, finally store the transactions linked to that data as an alibi against any…

Why do you need a blockchain database specifically? What properties of it is relevant here?

Re: AI Can Transform Anyone Into a Professional Dancer

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Post by mraison »

> Using NVIDIA TITAN Xp and GeForce GTX 1080 Ti GPUs, with the cuDNN-accelerated PyTorch deep learning framework for both training and inference

> the team based their algorithm on the pix2pixHD architecture developed by NVIDIA researchers

Is it me, or is NVIDIA trying very hard to take credit for this UC Berkeley paper? (they're almost taking credit for Pytorch as well). Sure, this kind of work wouldn't be possible without their hardware, but in that case Intel could probably take credit for most of science in the last few decades.

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