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Google’s Jeff Dean’s undergrad senior thesis on neural networks (1990) [pdf]

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Re: Google’s Jeff Dean’s undergrad senior thesis on neural networks (1990) [pdf]

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nothing is wrong with UMN - OP is making a joke based on the common refrain that Google only hires Stanford/Harvard kids.

Being at Google it's pretty rare to see a Stanford or Harvard new college grad. It's more common to hear large public Engineering universities & technical institutes.

Harvard you'll see more in the Cambridge or NY office. And at Facebook (and Microsoft, but maybe not anymore) due to the founder's alumni network.

And as another mentioned, Google is so big that most hires can't be from a few small schools.

Re: Google’s Jeff Dean’s undergrad senior thesis on neural networks (1990) [pdf]

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Professor Vipin Kumar for the lazy: https://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~kumar001/ .

Pretty interesting, reading his short bio I learned for the first time about AHPCRC ( https://ahpcrc.stanford.edu ) of which prof. Kumar was head of for about 7 years, the US military is indeed involved almost everywhere in SV.

hahah I can see tears from your post. That's the way it is.

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Lots of people get accepted to fancy-ass schools but then can't afford to attend, and state schools will bend over backwards to get those people.

Is this still true? Most of the top schools today appear to have pretty generous aid compared to my undergrad, which was a state school. Only exception I can think of could be out of state public schools like Berkeley or Georgia Tech or CMU.

stanford provides need based aid. if your parents’ earnings are high enough to not qualify for full aid, but have financial circumstances that make it infeasible to attend, you get crunched.

Re: Google’s Jeff Dean’s undergrad senior thesis on neural networks (1990) [pdf]

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As always, Jeff Dean doesn't fail to inspire respect. Tackling a complex problem (still relevant today) at an early age, getting great results and describing the solution clearly/concisely. My master thesis was ~60 pages long, and was probably about 1/1000 as useful as this one.

I put a lot of effort in my undergraduate thesis, but none of the professors on my committee had much interest in advising me; and after my defense, the only professor who really gave me his undivided attention came to me and said “I’m glad you’re not staying here for grad school; you’re way too good for this place”. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Comparing your journey to others’ is pointless.

Sorry you're being downvoted. I don't think you're trying to detract from the accomplishment here, but you are raising an important point: at an age like this, good mentorship, leadership, and guidance is essential.

There is a very small number of truly gifted people who end up discovering things on their own at a young age. Most gifted people who discover something do so with the benefit of a mentor who can work with them to refine their talent into skill.

My masters thesis sucked largely because I tried to do it on my own and didn't even pick an advisor until I was almost done. At that point all they could do with my mess was to say "well, this is a decent descriptive paper and we need more descriptive papers in the field," and then give me proofreading comments. I didn't have a damn clue what I was doing, the end product was mediocre, and I didn't learn nearly as much as I could have. I'm not an outstanding talent by any means, but not seeking out mentorship in school is one of my only career-related regrets.

The fact of the matter is that that some people are deprived of mentorship, either through bad personal decision-making or through bad academic infrastructure. These people have a much harder road to expertise and success than the people who were mentored.

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In the U.S., one's undergraduate institution does not correlate to success as much as it does in certain countries like France or Japan, where universities are a pipeline for elite selection and grooming. Also, not all intelligent American kids can or want to go to elite schools, even if they are academically qualified. In the U.S., you often hear stories of kids turning down really good schools for ones they felt we…

Thanks for the list but I am not entirely sure about Sergey Brin and Larry Page’s alma mater.

You can google them. :)

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Professor Vipin Kumar for the lazy: https://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~kumar001/ .

Pretty interesting, reading his short bio I learned for the first time about AHPCRC ( https://ahpcrc.stanford.edu ) of which prof. Kumar was head of for about 7 years, the US military is indeed involved almost everywhere in SV.

I worked in the UofM CSCI department in those days. Vipin's parallel programming research brought in some cool hardware for the time including clusters of RS6000s, IRIX Challenge servers, an IBM SP2 and even a small nCUBE. Also we had a variety of interconnects available including HiPPI, early fibre channel, and even bleeding edge 100 Mbit Ethernet to run MPI and PVM over :-)

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I put a lot of effort in my undergraduate thesis, but none of the professors on my committee had much interest in advising me; and after my defense, the only professor who really gave me his undivided attention came to me and said “I’m glad you’re not staying here for grad school; you’re way too good for this place”. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Comparing your journey to others’ is pointless.

Sorry you're being downvoted. I don't think you're trying to detract from the accomplishment here, but you are raising an important point: at an age like this, good mentorship, leadership, and guidance is essential. There is a very small number of truly gifted people who end up discovering things on their own at a young age. Most gifted people who discover something do so with the benefit of a mentor who can work wit…

Your replies seem to support downvoted outliers. Is this a no broken windows community moderation effort. If not, great idea.

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It's kind of remarkable. There really is no literature review in this paper. As a supervisor I would have no problem with a content part of this length, but I would also insist on doing the scholarly work that is not demonstrated here. Don't just throw out some code and describe it but put it into the context of what exists. Give credit to where ideas originate. That shouldn't add too much. No more than a few pages.…

That seems to be a key difference between science and engineering. One likes to survey the field and insist that their paper offers something novel - no matter how big or small. The other just wants to do some solid work and get the results.

> The other just wants to do some solid work and get the results.

How would you know the results are solid without consulting the scientific literature?

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Professor Vipin Kumar for the lazy: https://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~kumar001/ .

Pretty interesting, reading his short bio I learned for the first time about AHPCRC ( https://ahpcrc.stanford.edu ) of which prof. Kumar was head of for about 7 years, the US military is indeed involved almost everywhere in SV.

Read Steve Blank's "The Secret History of Silicon Valley". The US military created Silicon Valley.
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