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There are $1k rooms in Berkeley?
Yeah you can find singles for 1k, just make sure you get housemates to share the cost of living space and kitchen.
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My life with 12 programmers, 2 rooms and one 21st-century dream (2016)
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Re: My life with 12 programmers, 2 rooms and one 21st-century dream (2016)
#72I think this article represents a small segment of people that can’t manage their finances and/or strive for better living conditions . Even at with the base rate of $100k/year - which is cheap, you can rent a beautiful $5k/m apartment and split it with a friend. Heck, you can even cook and eat organic only. Use Uber to move around. Even then, at “maximum living conditions” you should be able to save north of $50k/y.…
This does not add up. At 100k pa in San Francisco you would get something like 67k after tax, minus 30k for rent, minus (let’s be generous) 15k for other expenses leaves 22k, not “north of 50k”
Re: My life with 12 programmers, 2 rooms and one 21st-century dream (2016)
#73I know the author wised up and moved on, but I would rather work construction for the rest of my life than be a programmer and live like this. I worked for a startup for a couple of years that really got it right. The CTO really wanted a certain lead developer as his first hire (they had previously worked together) and the lead dev said (paraphrased, of course) "Nope. Not interested in working more than 40 hours per…
What is so hard about saying no to overtime? Just turn off the computer and go home.
Re: My life with 12 programmers, 2 rooms and one 21st-century dream (2016)
#74I know the author wised up and moved on, but I would rather work construction for the rest of my life than be a programmer and live like this. I worked for a startup for a couple of years that really got it right. The CTO really wanted a certain lead developer as his first hire (they had previously worked together) and the lead dev said (paraphrased, of course) "Nope. Not interested in working more than 40 hours per…
What is so hard about saying no to overtime? Just turn off the computer and go home.
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Re: My life with 12 programmers, 2 rooms and one 21st-century dream (2016)
#75I would rather try to civilize some other area than put up with that.
Re: My life with 12 programmers, 2 rooms and one 21st-century dream (2016)
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A lot of people these days think like this. It means that software developers tend to be money oriented these days and it often affects code quality in a negative way. Producing bad code is more lucrative for the developer than producing good code.
Almost all programmers I know are not passionate about their jobs. It's a job, not their life. Yet they write good code and deliver on schedule. Outside of the HN filter bubble this is perfectly normal. Insinuating that people intentionally write bad code for monetary reasons is rude imho. It's like this for the vast majority of jobs, inside and outside of tech. People do them because they have to pay their bills and…
I don't think I've met anyone that's passionate about their job. About programming? Sure! But it's really, really difficult to be passionate about a specific job unless it's your own company.
Re: My life with 12 programmers, 2 rooms and one 21st-century dream (2016)
#77I think this article represents a small segment of people that can’t manage their finances and/or strive for better living conditions . Even at with the base rate of $100k/year - which is cheap, you can rent a beautiful $5k/m apartment and split it with a friend. Heck, you can even cook and eat organic only. Use Uber to move around. Even then, at “maximum living conditions” you should be able to save north of $50k/y.…
This does not add up. At 100k pa in San Francisco you would get something like 67k after tax, minus 30k for rent, minus (let’s be generous) 15k for other expenses leaves 22k, not “north of 50k”
Yeah, it is always deeply ironic when someone complains about people who can’t manage their finances well, then asserts that it is possible to save north of $50k with a salary of $100k in SF.
Re: My life with 12 programmers, 2 rooms and one 21st-century dream (2016)
#78I will be trying remote working soon, this whole culture of co-location is the reason you have SF, London, NY etc.
I moved away from London because its economically and socially tough.
With a remote job I will be able to make a London salary but live wherever I like, enjoy the outdoors and live life how I see fit.
SF, Madrid, Berlin, NY are sparkly places where a lot of people (bar the lucky few) end up trapped.
Re: My life with 12 programmers, 2 rooms and one 21st-century dream (2016)
#79I know the author wised up and moved on, but I would rather work construction for the rest of my life than be a programmer and live like this. I worked for a startup for a couple of years that really got it right. The CTO really wanted a certain lead developer as his first hire (they had previously worked together) and the lead dev said (paraphrased, of course) "Nope. Not interested in working more than 40 hours per…
What is so hard about saying no to overtime? Just turn off the computer and go home.
Social pressure is a pretty big motivator for most people. I find that customers are the big driver, if they're willing to wait (accept delays, don't bring the deadline in when it's been agreed) then I really feel no pressure at all to work overtime.
When the customer is screaming down the phone at your grand-boss that you've failed to deliver and they have very little context for that and ask you if you can work extra to make them happy you're in an awkward position.
Re: My life with 12 programmers, 2 rooms and one 21st-century dream (2016)
#80I know the author wised up and moved on, but I would rather work construction for the rest of my life than be a programmer and live like this. I worked for a startup for a couple of years that really got it right. The CTO really wanted a certain lead developer as his first hire (they had previously worked together) and the lead dev said (paraphrased, of course) "Nope. Not interested in working more than 40 hours per…
Was that Silicon Valley? I learnt certain places have certain “culture” of work. I worked in Connecticut as a programmer for many years and it actually compares with your description. Only some people wanted to stay longer. We had CEO coming out of his office around 5:10 and yelling “router down in two” thats how much time it took him to get to closet next to front door to turn internet off. Nobody had right to turn it back on. Same in the am. You cam before boss that always showed up 9:05, you had no net to work on.
Then I moved on to New York city and noone came after 8am or left before 9pm. Was nightmare. CTO told me once: “if you have family to attend to, don’t work here”.