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Greyston Bakery hires on a first-come, first-served basis, no questions asked

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Re: Greyston Bakery hires on a first-come, first-served basis, no questions asked

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Post by ilovetux »

munchbunny wrote: post #70
ilovetux wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so that people in companies can operate with access to "the information you need but no more." I think SELinux addresses this problem pretty well, but there is no real requirement to give access to developers for a production database when a development database could be setup with test data. I'm not arguing that this is a great idea for IT, but trust has been an issue from the beginning and there are more than a c…

> there are more than a couple of solutions with varying degrees of quality I think you raise a good point. If I were to phrase my wish better, I think it comes down to your implication that "varying degrees of quality" means some solutions do the job better (like SELinux) and some that do it worse. The more work it takes, the more you end up with startups where everyone has the passwords to the production database b…

I understand your argument and have heard it first-hand, but from my standpoint (a felon working in IT) I usually push for a workable and sensible security posture because I do not want any more access than I need.

A non-felon might not share my (perhaps) paranoid view, but I have a family now and need to pointedly avoid any possible controversy or scandal especially related to security and access. To that end, I feel the need to push for sensible and workable solutions.

Re: Greyston Bakery hires on a first-come, first-served basis, no questions asked

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Post by raincom »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #68
Retric wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> with any sort of company with more than a few million in annual gross receipts. https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/19/big-name-businesses-... Target is a ~45 billion dollar company. It's all tiny local cleaning companies. So, sure it's not corporate policy to do X or Y nationally. But, they are not going to object to saving some money.

That is perfect, thanks so much. Interesting bit here is what I would expect from Target: The issue instead was that their employer, Jim’s Maintenance, was failing to fulfill its obligations to keep proper records, including records of I-9 compliance. This failure to fulfill its contractual obligations ultimately contributed to Target’s decision to terminate its contract with Jim’s Maintenance. So company offers serv…

One can satisfy I-9 compliance easily as long as e-verify is not used. I-9 paper verification is all good faith effort on the part of the employer. https://www.uscis.gov/system/files_force/files/form/i-9-pape...

Re: Greyston Bakery hires on a first-come, first-served basis, no questions asked

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Post by mmirate »

whalesalad wrote: post #20
harlanji wrote: post #13

More should do this. I am blackballed from Silicon Valley from a series of bad employers and have a misdemeanor driving-related arrest, so a Day Labor non-profit that does the same has been my only way of attaining employment. My income has dropped 10x but it’s enough to feed me, and most of my network has turned its back on me. I am hired by executives and doctors for cash now who feel I am wasting my skills too. I…

All you do is sit and complain and act like a victim on your twitter account. Your mentality is what’s holding you back. You can’t be blackballed in Silicon Valley. I’ve hired so many people without reference checks and have been hired in the same manner. Change your attitude and you can return to programming.

> Change your attitude and you can .

It is amazing how much of the complaining and "activism" in this world is so shallow that it can be dismissed with nothing more than a single statement of the above form.

It is also amazing how infrequently this form of statement is utilized for that rightful purpose...

Re: Greyston Bakery hires on a first-come, first-served basis, no questions asked

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Post by tareqak »

A choice quote from the article:

> People who are given a job start off as apprentices, during which they go through a 10-month job training and life-skills course.

I found the part about life-skills pretty interesting. I have long thought that occupations keep specializing and populations keep growing the way the have, that some people will no doubt miss out learning about things that others may take for granted / learn from their own life experience.

Re: Greyston Bakery hires on a first-come, first-served basis, no questions asked

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Post by kbart »

sandworm101 wrote: post #24
macintux wrote: post #14

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People are very good at not knowing how unqualified they are. Former brother-in-law of mine was convinced he was a computer expert because he built a computer once. IT pay is well-known for being better than average, so I'd bet you'd have people who can move a mouse trying to get entry-level IT work at a company known for hiring anyone.

Penetration testers who own a kali usb. Security experts who went to RSA one year and chatted with the NSA booth guys. Html "coders".

Oh, that's far from worse.. the ones you've mentioned could at least qualify for entry level positions.

Re: Greyston Bakery hires on a first-come, first-served basis, no questions asked

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Post by nickpsecurity »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #61
PurpleBoxDragon wrote: post #57

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>There is a tremendous exposure to legal risk both for the contracting company and the company that hires the contracting company if they employ workers who do not have the right to work in the US. That's why you layer it so the people taking the risk are little more than hourly employees themselves. Big corp hire cleaning corp to clean. Cleaning corp hires local cleaner to clean. Local cleaner hires legal worker wit…

As I said, I understand this narrative is out there, what I have not been able to find is any evidence that this occurs at any sort of scale or more explicitly with any sort of company with more than a few million in annual gross receipts. In California at least the SEIU union is all over employers and both well funded and well motivated to root out such abuses of the system. That they don't find them and there aren'…

To add to retric, Kroger does the same kind of thing. Their workers clean the tables, shelves, and so on. The floor people that push the machine and sweep in the morning are Hispanic contractors that barely speak English. The only exception Ive ever seen shopping there was one store where they were all Eastern European who barely spoke English. Given areas' demographics and company's workers, I think it's safe to assume they're contracting in immigrants to exploit them for low pay and avoid giving them benefits. It was also a running joke for some workers I talked to.

Re: Greyston Bakery hires on a first-come, first-served basis, no questions asked

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Post by PurpleBoxDragon »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #68
Retric wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> with any sort of company with more than a few million in annual gross receipts. https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/19/big-name-businesses-... Target is a ~45 billion dollar company. It's all tiny local cleaning companies. So, sure it's not corporate policy to do X or Y nationally. But, they are not going to object to saving some money.

That is perfect, thanks so much. Interesting bit here is what I would expect from Target: The issue instead was that their employer, Jim’s Maintenance, was failing to fulfill its obligations to keep proper records, including records of I-9 compliance. This failure to fulfill its contractual obligations ultimately contributed to Target’s decision to terminate its contract with Jim’s Maintenance. So company offers serv…

And once it is officially known they'll have to act, so a lot of it is making it take a long time to be officially known. It isn't like they purposefully hunt for those who do things illegal, they just are aggressive enough in who they give their contracts to that there is a selective pressure for those who can cut costs by hiring undocumented workers. The big companies would be just as happy, maybe even slightly happier, hiring a company only employing legal workers if they could do so for the same price.

Re: Greyston Bakery hires on a first-come, first-served basis, no questions asked

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Post by lliamander »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #64
lliamander wrote: post #59

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Well, in some states it is illegal to ask a potential employee about their citizenship status. There are definitely industries in which hiring (suspected, but very likely) illegal immigrants is standard practice.

In all US states you are required to fill out an I-9 form if you are hired. That form requires that you "prove" to your employer that you have a legal right to work in the United States and you are required to provide a valid Social Security number or Tax ID number. If you fail to do that, you violate the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) which was passed in 1986 and subjects the business to fines, penalties,…

And it's not uncommon (in certain states, in certain industries) for forged identities to be used. As I understand it, so long as the SSN is "valid" and goes with the name provided, employers don't (and possibly can't, legally speaking) go beyond that.
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