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Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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Post by qiqing »

bunderbunder wrote: post #69
Bjartr wrote: post #66

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Buy seeds and grow them yourself.

Careful, though - if you live in an area that's been populated for a long time, that may increase your exposure to lead. Maybe get the soil tested first.

And if you live in an area that used to manufacture semiconductors (and possibly contaminated with heavy metals), it is recommended that you use a certain kind of plastic sheet between the dirt in the ground and the topsoil that you buy at a store. There are these square wooden frames made for these kind of farm plots.

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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Post by tathougies »

crawshaw wrote: post #27

How do I buy food in the US that I know hasn't been exposed to such pesticides?

My wife and I buy most of our meats and vegetables directly from a farm. We have the farm owner's number on hand, and can call and ask. We can also ask to be there at the slaughter if we'd like or to visit the animals before hand. Surprisingly, it's not that much more expensive than whole foods for us. The farm is about a 20 mile drive from where we live. We like it.

I found the program online. Didn't need any special contacts or anything.

Re: Endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure in US: disease burden and cost analysis

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Post by qiqing »

geoalchimista wrote: post #41
qiqing wrote: post #25

Does anyone have the PDF to the full article? I'm curious to read more than the summary.

You can find download links from Google Scholar. Here is one from researchgate posted by the corresponding author (which is totally legal): https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leonardo_Trasande/publi... Don't pay for the article. The money goes 100% to the publisher not the authors.

Thanks! In case anyone is curious, I found the excerpt that had what I was looking for (the list of specific endocrine disrupting compounds). From page 2:

"The probabilities had been based on assessment of the toxicological and epidemiological evidence for 15 exposure–response relations between EDCs (PBDEs, organophosphate pesticides, dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane, di-2-ethylhexylphthalate, bisphenol A, benzylphthalates and butylphthalates, and exposures to combinations of these substances; appendix) and disorders (loss of intelligence quotient [IQ] points and consequent intellectual disability, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, autism, adult and childhood obesity, adult diabetes, crypt-orchidism, testicular cancer, male factor infertility, early cardiovascular mortality due to reduced testosterone, leiomyomas, and endometriosis) with use of a modified Delphi approach to achieve consensus."

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Post by erentz »

putlake wrote: post #51
fhackenberger wrote: post #44

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Ask yourself: whom would you trust more? A physical person in front of you, who's whole life depends on her business or a company which is legally set-up to maximize profit?

Would you trust a random individual who may or may not even be a farmer or a business that has obtained USDA organic accreditation?

But the USDA organic accreditation doesn’t mean pesticide free unfortunately. They still use a tonne (actually more by quantity) of pesticides, and those pesticides aren’t proven to be safer. E.g. Rotenone is shown to damage mitochondria, but is fine to be dumped on “organic” crops. So sadly it’s still actually very debatable whether you’re better off going organic or not.

Edit: think of “USDA Organic” label as more of an industry marketing gimmick that allows them to triple prices, than any genuine intent to produce safer foods.

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Post by zilitor »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #60
zilitor wrote: post #55

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Your outlook does seem quite diseased. I don't know if phthalates are part of the etiology though.

The evidence is here:

- epigenetic changes - https://www.whatisepigenetics.com/fathers-exposure-phthalate...

- less masculine men - https://health.usnews.com/health-news/blogs/on-men/2009/11/1...

- exposure during women's pregnancy lowers child's iq - http://time.com/3625352/phthalates-iq-toxins/

- obesity and epigenetic changes in rat models - https://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/epigenetics/nutritio...

With the latter most link, it looks like supplements can help prevent effects.

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Post by eximius »

ProAm wrote: post #68
VMG wrote: post #50

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That's incredibly expensive

Maybe email the authors? Its weird to see people asking to steal something straight up on HN. Its a product, has a price, and people dont want to pay it, and $31.50 is cheap.

1. The paper isn't the product, the journal is. 2. The paper is free. 3. $31.50 isn't cheap for a digital copy of a casual read.

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linkmotif wrote: post #42
Analemma_ wrote: post #29

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Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

Never been to a cheaper farmer’s market in my life. I’ve lived in New York, Chicago and Baltimore. Intrigued by this concept. Can’t imagine it actually exists anywhere.

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Post by linguistbreaker »

linkmotif wrote: post #42
Analemma_ wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buy from a farmers' market, and ask. Most of the sellers will know off the top of their heads exactly how their crops have been grown and what was/wasn't used, and if they don't, that's a seller to avoid. As an added bonus, farmers' markets tend to be cheaper than supermarkets even as the food is better. It mystifies me that they aren't more commonly used and have a reputation as being for rich hipsters (i.e., like W…

Never been to a cheaper farmer’s market in my life. I’ve lived in New York, Chicago and Baltimore. Intrigued by this concept. Can’t imagine it actually exists anywhere.

Those are all big cities... Are you unable to imagine anything other than an urban environment? That's sad

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Post by Ismair »

crawshaw wrote: post #27

How do I buy food in the US that I know hasn't been exposed to such pesticides?

A starting point would be eating canned food as little as possible and avoid non pet bottle and thermal receipts

(this for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A )

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Post by ProAm »

eximius wrote: post #76
ProAm wrote: post #68

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Maybe email the authors? Its weird to see people asking to steal something straight up on HN. Its a product, has a price, and people dont want to pay it, and $31.50 is cheap.

1. The paper isn't the product, the journal is. 2. The paper is free. 3. $31.50 isn't cheap for a digital copy of a casual read.

That's the cost though. I can complain all day about how expensive everyone's startup product is, but that's the price. Is it wrong for me to steal those products?
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