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Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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> Because keeping a Hackintosh up and running is a hobby. It requires maintenance. macOS point release comes out? Better hit the forums/subreddits and start looking for driver compatibility/kexts/other hacks etc. Hackintoshes are crazy fragile. I had a Hackintosh during the Snow Leopard years and when Lion came out I just gave up. They aren't particularly fragile anymore, it's been quite awhile since an update broke…

Is there a community site that outlines recommended builds? I haven’t looked at Hackintosh stuff since the Snow Leopard days, but am reconsidering now that all my macs are getting up there in age (and none of Apple’s new offerings are appealing).

https://www.tonymacx86.com used to be the go-to but like I said in my original comment I haven't Hackintosh'd since Snow Leopard so that may well be not the case anymore.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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I moved to a Mac after a decade of Linux on the desktop. After years of fiddling with drivers, crappy trackpad behaviours and so on, I wanted a computer that got out of my way and just worked. MacOS is far from perfect but it works perfectly with Apple hardware. If I wanted to go back to seeing my operating system as a hobby then Linux would be mostly a better option.

It's funny, but after four years on macOS, I returned to GNU/Linux about 16 months ago, and I have not looked back since. Okay, there are a few things I miss, but all in all, there was more I missed on macOS than I now miss on GNU/Linux. And I do not consider spending a weekend (or longer) to get my sound chip working fun any more. I am too old for that stuff. Maybe I just have a lucky hand picking hardware, but exce…

Don't you miss the trackpad? It's what keeps me from switching on the hardware side

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Their “wonderful” hardware costs a lot of money, is chronically underpowered compared to the competition, basically doesn’t exist in some form factors, and regularly comes with unnecessary and user hostile features. Frankly, I can get the same or better hardware in a Thinkpad, which was designed with actual users in mind rather than aesthetics, is more durable, has better battery life, still has a real keyboard, is s…

I can't for the life of me understand why Thinkpad doesn't nuke Mac in sales, other than I guess marketing? Or just maybe people prefer the "simplicity" of MacOS? Because Apple hardware is pretty? I must be neckbearding, because from an objective standpoint, it doesn't make any damn sense. Swappable batteries (on some models), universally better keyboards (at the very least, more robust!), usually far cheaper for far…

I was seriously looking at Linux laptops last year and ended up begrudgingly getting another Macbook Pro. Here's my perspective when I looked at Thinkpads;

There's a series: X, T, P, and A. I really hate when companies do this (I also think Apple does this a bit too much). "Powerful mobile workstations" or "Renowned professional tools" doesn't really help me narrow things down. Trying to seek these out in person, retail stores like Best Buy or the Microsoft store carry between 1 to 3 models total.

I never got the appeal of swappable batteries. I had multiple batteries about 10 years ago (mostly because one was EOL and I kept it around). Since it had to charge in the laptop I had to remember to swap it to keep both charged. I looked at external chargers; if it existed it was too much money (a few hundred dollars). This sort of workflow makes sense in a professional environment, like a photographer on set all day. That's what is done with camera batteries, but is too much of a pain for someone who just wants a bit of freedom from a desktop. I had a lot of skepticism when Apple dropped the removable battery; their swappable batteries lasted 5 hrs when new and had something like 200 cycles. The non-removable batteries had 6-8 hrs, went up to 1000 cycles, and were about the same cost to replace (and it was just a matter of unscrewing the case).

Even though I didn't like the new Mac keyboards as much as the old ones, I liked the Thinkpad's keyboard even less--which is a fairly subjective choice. The trackpads I found on every non-Mac laptop was objectively worse.

Connectivity: I really like that it charges with USB-C (I was quick to eliminate laptops with proprietary charging), but that's the only USB-C port. I never really found a laptop with 1 USB-A and a couple USB-C ports. At least for my use-case multiple USB-C ports and carrying an adapter works well for me now and I expect adapter use to decline over the life of use.

I was looking at the X1, which had memory soldered on. The laptops in the same "class" as the Macbook pro (size and weight), the PC versions used the same chipset and had similar compromises...which also meant the prices were fairly similar.

If, for example, you're looking for a chunkier and heavier laptop with swappable parts Apple doesn't make that laptop, but if general, if you like most of the concessions, similar models aren't that much cheaper and don't really offer that much more.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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> - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) You mean like, a PS/2 keyboard or what are you on about? Any bluetooth or usb keyboard works on any regular mac. > - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Again, what are you on about? A hackintosh is running a just as ios-ivied macOS as a regular mac.

> You mean like, a PS/2 keyboard or what are you on about? I believe GP refers to the crapboards in the recent MacBook Pro lineup, which are amazingly bad. Also, IIRC Apple doesn't offer a real wired keyboard anymore.

Correct. That was my intent.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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> Because keeping a Hackintosh up and running is a hobby. It requires maintenance. macOS point release comes out? Better hit the forums/subreddits and start looking for driver compatibility/kexts/other hacks etc. Hackintoshes are crazy fragile. I had a Hackintosh during the Snow Leopard years and when Lion came out I just gave up. They aren't particularly fragile anymore, it's been quite awhile since an update broke…

Is there a community site that outlines recommended builds? I haven’t looked at Hackintosh stuff since the Snow Leopard days, but am reconsidering now that all my macs are getting up there in age (and none of Apple’s new offerings are appealing).

TonyMacX86 is the best single source as dljsjr mentioned but the subreddit is also a very valuable resource in my experience: http://reddit.com/r/hackintosh

I built a hackintosh 2 years ago. It's been fantastic and required very little time to keep updated and running smoothly.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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I feel we're kind of going into a dark age... Apple's software and hardware is suffering from major design flaws, and Microsoft is trying to be more like Apple... linux on the desktop is becoming less laughable with each os update or product refresh...

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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I think that's one of the key things about using Apple products. If you want to have a good time, you need to embrace the way Apple wants you to use the product. And then generally, you'll find that it really does "just work", most of their decisions were right and you can get on with just using the thing. For the more "power users" who prefer to customise things to a fine degree and make particular choices a typical…

I run into this all the time with Windows users switching to a Mac. I do a lot of training for new users when it comes to using Macs and the Windows users are always the worst when compared to people learning for the first time because Windows users always want to do it "the Windows way" and so they get frustrated when all their right clicking doesn't pan out. They bought a Mac because they were frustrated by Windows…

> He could not get over the fact that everything was flat and that he couldn't view his folder structure and was so frustrated because he couldn't find anything. It took me days to get the point across to him that a library system was much more powerful than a strict hierarchy because he could tag sounds with multiple keywords instead of just relying on his memory to remember which folder he had put a particular clip in.

Right, so he had his workflow organized in a particular way that worked for him, but rather than allow him to work like that his computer forced him into a workflow management paradigm and then you told him it was better that way and he should just accept it.

> It's so nice when the computer just gets out of the way and lets you worry about the work and not about futzing with everything in the background.

I agree, I wish they'd actually do that in 2018.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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By saying that they don't look at it as stealing and then saying that they look at it another way, there is an implication that the way they look at it somehow relates to the perspective that it's stealing. In other words, there has to be some reason that they don't see it as stealing but do see it as a failure by Apple to meet the needs of it's consumers. That reason is the relationship between the two concepts and…

No, they just see the their argument as a better one against making a Hackintosh. No need to even consider the "stealing" angle if you think a Hackintosh would be bad anyways.

Yes, this is what I mean. I recognize that one major argument against hackintosh is that some view it as stealing.

I don’t really care one way or the other about the stealing question, because this other argument against hackintoshes is more compelling to me.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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> Because keeping a Hackintosh up and running is a hobby. It requires maintenance. macOS point release comes out? Better hit the forums/subreddits and start looking for driver compatibility/kexts/other hacks etc. Hackintoshes are crazy fragile. I had a Hackintosh during the Snow Leopard years and when Lion came out I just gave up. They aren't particularly fragile anymore, it's been quite awhile since an update broke…

Is there a community site that outlines recommended builds? I haven’t looked at Hackintosh stuff since the Snow Leopard days, but am reconsidering now that all my macs are getting up there in age (and none of Apple’s new offerings are appealing).

https://www.tonymacx86.com/ and https://www.insanelymac.com

tonymacx86 is the go to place for checking on hardware compatibility for the most part. insanelymac tends to be more technical, it's where a lot of devs that make it all work hang out. You likely won't need insanelymac unless you are trying to get some poorly supported hardware working.

I should have noted in my previous comment but I purposely chose hardware for my build that I knew worked well. Things can get complicated if you are trying to make any random hardware work, although even that is much better than it used to be.

Re: Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

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Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple. I look at it another way. Apple, as a company is failing to meet the needs of some of its users: - You can’t get an upgradable pro machine - you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good) - macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like that Every Hackintosh c…

> I use Linux (and OpenBSD occasionally) these days [...] may be the last un-nerfed general purpose computing platform standing.

I really hope you're not right about this, but unfortunately it seems all too likely. Linux will finally win on the desktop not because it finally starts listening to potential users and making things better, but because everyone else just stops making desktops.

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