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If I write down every song that I play through Spotify for a year. Does Spotify own that?
No, but that's you writing down every song. The alternative is them saving one of their interactions to their server. These aren't remotely comparable...
Who owns what Party A recorded, and who owns what Party B recorded?
It's back to ocp and mods/classical music/occasional purchased for me I guess... (except on my phone of course which is a lost cause)
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I’m upvoting and agree in the realistic point you are making, but feel this isn’t the most popular point of view right now? I personally believe info just shouldn’t be captured period, beyond reasons for authentication protection purposes/identifying malicious/off pattern use of my login/auth token. We are releasing a new business/info mgmt product soon that has no GA/full story/user tracking whatsoever. It’s not cle…
> I personally believe > It’s not clear why everyone enables a floodgate of tracking just ‘cause. Have you worked in marketing, product development, or customer support? There are plenty of services that are used to help people generally do their jobs, identify problems, figure out what to build, improve the product, and to enable support folks to support customers. But yes, there are all sorts of other, third-party…
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> I personally believe > It’s not clear why everyone enables a floodgate of tracking just ‘cause. Have you worked in marketing, product development, or customer support? There are plenty of services that are used to help people generally do their jobs, identify problems, figure out what to build, improve the product, and to enable support folks to support customers. But yes, there are all sorts of other, third-party…
Yes, I have. It’s a tough argument/longer conversation I realize. I feel it’s getting out of hand overall. As technology/saas products make it easier to simply capture everything, including user actions/playback/screenshots, to the point that someone in marketing at X startup is watching my private usage of their app on their MacBook Air somewhere without really caring or realizing how intrusive they are being. I rea…
Remember all of the data Winamp2 used to gather and send to third-party servers?
Anyone remember the huge privacy-related outrage when Windows XP came out, because it forced users to do challenge-response activation? How times have changed...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fx5yyrru1uvx6no/sarletter.txt?dl=0
Source (@mikarv on Twitter):
https://twitter.com/mikarv/status/1012386696934182912?ref_sr...
Meh you are the product spotify is free!
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If I write down every song that I play through Spotify for a year. Does Spotify own that?
No, but that's you writing down every song. The alternative is them saving one of their interactions to their server. These aren't remotely comparable...
I get that they feel different, but every distinction I come up with feels like it either doesn't make sense applied uniformly. If I tracked songs in Excel, Spotify doesn't own that. If I automated tracking the songs I play, Spotify still doesn't own my recording. If I wrote down all my Spotify songs AND all my Skype messages AND all my texts, Spotify, Skype, and Verizon don't suddenly gain an ownership stake in what I've done.
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There's a sense in which summary views are the real data. If I asked Spotify to share my data, and they just sent me a 250 MB file of every interaction they've ever recorded, I would conclude they're trying to obfuscate which data they actually use and how they use it.
Yeah. If Netflix sends me every byte I've ever viewed, that's pretty useless.
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What grand times we live in, where you can actually get this kind of data from the services that you use. Having the law say your personal data is owned by you and not some company just because it's on their server may turn out to be a landmark in consumer friendly legislation!
Frankly, I think a lot of this data isn't the users, but rather Spotify's. If Spotify didn't exist then the interaction data with it wouldn't exist. I don't see how it can possibly be "owned" only by the user here. Does a user "own" security footage in a store that they enter? Definitely not.