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Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by double0jimb0 »

shiburizu wrote: post #46

Genuinely curious: I don't work in the space of CAD, video editing or any other field that people tend to use to justify the MacBook Pro's ludicrous pricetag that has some shiny numbers on the tech specs sheet. Do these really do anything a sufficiently equipped laptop from anyone else can't? Plenty of options with latest gen Intel and Nvidia 10xx series are out there for less insane prices. Granted, I don't see many…

In general, unless you are running a long computation (in CAD, that could be a stress analysis; in graphic design that could be rendering a frame) you won’t notice any difference in snappiness of workflow.

I run Autodesk Inventor 2018 on a bootcamped mid-2017 Mackbook 12”, it has a built in Intel video card (650 I believe). The only time I wish I had more processing power is when doing huge FEA analysis, my 15W processor goes into a down-clocked limp mode, and computations take 4X longer than on a latest gen desktop).

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by tedmiston »

kalleboo wrote: post #33

It's summer now and as soon as I plug my MacBook Pro 2017 in to charge, it starts throttling itself due to the heat of the charging battery. Same thing happened to the 2012 I had before. These things just don't have adequate cooling.

Do you have a way to monitor or measure the CPU throttling on macOS?

I've found Intel Power Gadget [1] which looks like it might help, however, I'm not really sure what these graphs should look like when throttling vs not.

[1]: https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-power-gadget...

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by sushid »

mustaflex wrote: post #30
lgvln wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the correct terminology is “don’t start running the fans at high(audible) speeds till >80C.

Apparently they don't start at all until 80C here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgeh7ZJRhZU

Mine runs at >6k RPM after 50-something Celsius.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by chx »

This madness is something Apple can only blame themselves for.

It's Steve Jobs' ploy to kill the laptop market. He didn't need the laptop market, he had the iPhone, he knew of the iPad when he demo'd the Macbook Air. Today the entire Mac revenue https://www.statista.com/statistics/382260/segments-share-re... is below 10%.

See, he have started the thin craze and everyone copied. But noone needs a thin laptop. There's no advantage to it whatsoever. People do need lightweight laptops and well before the Macbook Air we had shockingly lightweight ones, my Panasonic CF-Y5 was 1.5kg including a DVD ROM more than ten years ago. It had a protrusion on the lid to create a cushion which made a review to call "the exterior design of the machine's casing is reminiscent of a Sherman tank cross-bred with a 1970s sports saloon". It made it 45mm thick at the thickest point. Still, it was 1.5kg and undestructible.

So, instead of focusing on materials science and building lightweight laptops in whatever thickness a good cooling system would require everyone is falling over themselves to produce a thin laptop. Which, of course, can't be properly cooled. It's just physics. In this case, the Macbook "Pro" is 0.61" high where the Lenovo P52 (which is Pro for real) is 0.96”. This thinness craze killed off the convenient bottom dock ports from the business laptops creating these awkward side docks.

Fantastic trick, Mr Jobs, well played.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by megaman22 »

r00fus wrote: post #60
owenversteeg wrote: post #17

I keep seeing thermal issues come back to bite some of the smartest companies with products designed by the world's best engineers. Everything from batteries to laptops to phones is severely affected by heat, and improper thermal design can lead to some huge issues. For example, the biggest thing affecting battery life is thermal load. The biggest thing affecting the maximum sustained power of a laptop or phone is th…

Is the Intel upgrade treadmill is starting to show its age? How much longer can we keep making the chips "faster" when the tradeoff is increasingly just more thermal issues? Can't wait for a decent A-series chip MacBook.

Well, we could go back to having laptops that are thicker than a Bic pen and have actual cooling systems in them. I have physical spiral bound paper notebooks that are thicker and heavier than my work notebook.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by sneak »

wild_preference wrote: post #55
theabacus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sticking with my 2015 15” until it bites the dust and then probably getting something else if Apple hasn’t figured this out yet. Even there software is degrading. I feel like I’m doing better by not running updates (I know this is not so, for security reasons, but...)

My favorite is the latest Air (years old now) which doesn’t even have a retina screen yet, a perk in my book. I could watch Netflix on my bare stomach with my Air. Latest Pro is quickly too hot to handle. Of course not the only issue but the computer never bounced back from that first impression. The dedicated gfx card doesn’t even seem to run games like Civ 5 better than my Air which I’m guessing is due to all the e…

I do wish they would bring back the Air’s keyboard on higher end models.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by thatswrong0 »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #64
wlll wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the main quibble is that the laptop can't even hold it's base clock speed without throttling.

Yeah but that's like buying a race car and being upset that it's throttled at 300 mph. 99.9999% of people will never go 300mph..unless you're using it in a very specialized way.

But it's supposedly _slower_ than its predecessor in sustained situations like this. What's the point of having a "more powerful" 2018 machine over the 2017 if, when trying to use that power, you end up worse off?

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by newnewpdro »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #40
kalleboo wrote: post #33

It's summer now and as soon as I plug my MacBook Pro 2017 in to charge, it starts throttling itself due to the heat of the charging battery. Same thing happened to the 2012 I had before. These things just don't have adequate cooling.

I often work outdoors, and merely being in sunlight makes my 13” MBP go to max fan speed after about ten minutes, and insufferably slow after a half hour or so.

That doesn't strike me as particularly noteworthy/unexpected.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by untog »

RussianCow wrote: post #57
shiburizu wrote: post #46

Genuinely curious: I don't work in the space of CAD, video editing or any other field that people tend to use to justify the MacBook Pro's ludicrous pricetag that has some shiny numbers on the tech specs sheet. Do these really do anything a sufficiently equipped laptop from anyone else can't? Plenty of options with latest gen Intel and Nvidia 10xx series are out there for less insane prices. Granted, I don't see many…

> justify the MacBook Pro's ludicrous pricetag that has some shiny numbers on the tech specs sheet If you think people buy MacBook Pros because of their tech specs, you are missing the point. MacBooks are by far the best general purpose, well-rounded laptops on the market from a build quality perspective. Everything from the screen to the touchpad to sleep/hibernate (and, until recently, the keyboard) is finely tuned…

Seconding the touchpad. If I'm spending eight or so hours a day using a computer you can bet I'm going to get the one that feels best. CPU performance matters, but I'm not running at 100% CPU all day. I am clicking and typing all day, though.
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