The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up • Hacker News Board

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by jcloud_dev » Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 3:25 AM UTC

1996 wrote: post #11

dingo_bat wrote: post #7

Reading the comment under TFA it seems macbook keyboards have no water resistance? Seems a bit weird for such an expensive device.

This reminds me about the drain conduits (aqueducts?) in the thinkpads: liquids poured on the keyboard are diverted away from the electronics

Spill drains? I once spilled an entire cup of tea on my T440 - almost half a liter. Didn't even need to power down the laptop to continue working.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by designcode » Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 3:28 AM UTC

corey_moncure wrote: post #69

Was the old keyboard engineering so bad? I feel like Apple has been fixing what wasn't broken since about 2010, regarding the MBP at least. Literally all they needed to do was retina screen, upgrade the internals, and add a few USB-C ports. Was anyone ever legitimately inconvenienced by the thickness of the 2010 MBP? I know I was directly inconvenienced by the loss of MagSafe, ethernet, SD card and USB-A, the loss of…

After using my 2016 MBP for two years, going back to my 2014 MBP just feels wrong.

The keyboard is so much better on the modern ones, so I’d recommend giving it a chance !

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by saagarjha » Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 3:29 AM UTC

corey_moncure wrote: post #69

Was the old keyboard engineering so bad? I feel like Apple has been fixing what wasn't broken since about 2010, regarding the MBP at least. Literally all they needed to do was retina screen, upgrade the internals, and add a few USB-C ports. Was anyone ever legitimately inconvenienced by the thickness of the 2010 MBP? I know I was directly inconvenienced by the loss of MagSafe, ethernet, SD card and USB-A, the loss of…

Apple sold a MacBook Pro with all of those things you wanted except Ethernet until yesterday.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by saagarjha » Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 3:31 AM UTC

designcode wrote: post #72

corey_moncure wrote: post #69

Was the old keyboard engineering so bad? I feel like Apple has been fixing what wasn't broken since about 2010, regarding the MBP at least. Literally all they needed to do was retina screen, upgrade the internals, and add a few USB-C ports. Was anyone ever legitimately inconvenienced by the thickness of the 2010 MBP? I know I was directly inconvenienced by the loss of MagSafe, ethernet, SD card and USB-A, the loss of…

After using my 2016 MBP for two years, going back to my 2014 MBP just feels wrong. The keyboard is so much better on the modern ones, so I’d recommend giving it a chance !

Wow, your comment was killed within seconds. I’d suggest expanding on your opinion.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by thadk » Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 3:37 AM UTC

corey_moncure wrote: post #69

Was the old keyboard engineering so bad? I feel like Apple has been fixing what wasn't broken since about 2010, regarding the MBP at least. Literally all they needed to do was retina screen, upgrade the internals, and add a few USB-C ports. Was anyone ever legitimately inconvenienced by the thickness of the 2010 MBP? I know I was directly inconvenienced by the loss of MagSafe, ethernet, SD card and USB-A, the loss of…

The area around the hinge on the 2011-2015 Era Macbook was plastic. It seems like they wanted to do away with that, a major mechanical break point, which meant removing travel distance from the keys so the screen could close more directly. (My 2011 MBP screen hinge was a bit wobbly a few years in.) You could look at the USB-C dongles in a similar way: older USB ports could fail eventually on that era MBP. The newer USB-C ports are probably "rated" for more insertions/removals.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by ld00d » Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 3:38 AM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #49

keehun wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is not the same. Also, the up/down being squished to half their normal height makes things more difficult. In other words, there is just a lot less room for error, now..

The up/down arrow keys are sized as they were before. It's the left/right arrow keys that have grown to be twice their normal height.

On the magic keyboard, the whole bottom row of keys is shorter than they used to be. Not by a lot, but they're shorter. They're now the same height as the keys above.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by xvf22 » Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 3:47 AM UTC

thadk wrote: post #75

corey_moncure wrote: post #69

Was the old keyboard engineering so bad? I feel like Apple has been fixing what wasn't broken since about 2010, regarding the MBP at least. Literally all they needed to do was retina screen, upgrade the internals, and add a few USB-C ports. Was anyone ever legitimately inconvenienced by the thickness of the 2010 MBP? I know I was directly inconvenienced by the loss of MagSafe, ethernet, SD card and USB-A, the loss of…

The area around the hinge on the 2011-2015 Era Macbook was plastic. It seems like they wanted to do away with that, a major mechanical break point, which meant removing travel distance from the keys so the screen could close more directly. (My 2011 MBP screen hinge was a bit wobbly a few years in.) You could look at the USB-C dongles in a similar way: older USB ports could fail eventually on that era MBP. The newer U…

Each of the USB-C ports needs a controller and if any of the four have an issue the computer will not charge.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by blackguardx » Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 3:49 AM UTC

thadk wrote: post #75

corey_moncure wrote: post #69

Was the old keyboard engineering so bad? I feel like Apple has been fixing what wasn't broken since about 2010, regarding the MBP at least. Literally all they needed to do was retina screen, upgrade the internals, and add a few USB-C ports. Was anyone ever legitimately inconvenienced by the thickness of the 2010 MBP? I know I was directly inconvenienced by the loss of MagSafe, ethernet, SD card and USB-A, the loss of…

The area around the hinge on the 2011-2015 Era Macbook was plastic. It seems like they wanted to do away with that, a major mechanical break point, which meant removing travel distance from the keys so the screen could close more directly. (My 2011 MBP screen hinge was a bit wobbly a few years in.) You could look at the USB-C dongles in a similar way: older USB ports could fail eventually on that era MBP. The newer U…

You are correct. USB A ports are usually only rated to 1500 insertion cycles because that is what the standard specifies. Micro USB and USB C ports are specced at 10,000 insertion cycles.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by saagarjha » Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 3:54 AM UTC

xvf22 wrote: post #77

thadk wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The area around the hinge on the 2011-2015 Era Macbook was plastic. It seems like they wanted to do away with that, a major mechanical break point, which meant removing travel distance from the keys so the screen could close more directly. (My 2011 MBP screen hinge was a bit wobbly a few years in.) You could look at the USB-C dongles in a similar way: older USB ports could fail eventually on that era MBP. The newer U…

Each of the USB-C ports needs a controller and if any of the four have an issue the computer will not charge.

I believe MacBook Pro has two Thunderbolt controllers, one for each side.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by raegis » Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 3:58 AM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #61

threeseed wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The escape key never disappeared. It’s just a soft key rather than a physical one. I use it hundreds of times a day with vim and have never had problems.

You use vim all day and you don't re-map escape? Really?

control-[ ain't so bad