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DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Re: DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Post by paulie_a »

Semirhage wrote: post #70
paulie_a wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For most of the planet GDPR is irrelevant. I personally will never give it any thought when building something.

Failing to give thought to something doesn’t make it go away, but of course it’s your right not to think. As long as you understand that ideology and opinion aside, it can greatly impact your ability to do business in Europe, then you go be you. Most companies don't do business in Europe. As defined under GDPR? I’d love citations for that claim.

Most companies don't do business in Europe.

Re: DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Post by sometimesijust »

DelightOne wrote: post #51
sometimesijust wrote: post #26

Seems like a pretty great way to remove the middleman from populist infotainment consumption. Can't be worse than what we already have and by making it explicitly richest party wins it makes the process more transparent. It might not be the Truth but at least it is Honest.

> Can't be worse than what we already have Please proof. Otherwise good irony.

If only there was some kind of formal protocol that could incentivise the substantiation of such claims. Alas.

Re: DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Post by Aeolun »

paulie_a wrote: post #71
Semirhage wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Failing to give thought to something doesn’t make it go away, but of course it’s your right not to think. As long as you understand that ideology and opinion aside, it can greatly impact your ability to do business in Europe, then you go be you. Most companies don't do business in Europe. As defined under GDPR? I’d love citations for that claim.

Most companies don't do business in Europe.

That's an interesting argument.

But unfortunately, it was beaten out by 2%.

https://www.inc.com/anne-gherini/fifty-two-percent-of-us-bus...

Re: DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Post by Aeolun »

yinyinwu wrote: post #42
ram_rar wrote: post #35

Firstly, Congratulations for launching DIRT. >If the data is incorrect, anyone can challenge the data and earn tokens for identifying these inaccurate facts. How do you moderate censorship or conflicting information ? if someone uploads my personal info, without my consent. How do I get to purge it ? From the current model, it seems like I ll have to pay money to "request" purging my own data.

Thanks! DIRT is a fundamentally different approach because it removes the middleman and there is no central moderator. Our goal is to move the trust from a central party to a system of rules that anyone can participate in. I think verified identity could be a registry on DIRT. Adding reputation on top of voting is something we're exploring.

I think you misunderstand the point. The idea was that the data would not be on dirt. Not in a verified registry on dirt.

How would I remove my personal data, or any proprietary data, if someone uploaded that to DIRT?

Re: DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Post by Aeolun »

yinyinwu wrote: post #15
fake-name wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't answer the more important question. The issue isn't how do you handle "incorrect" information, it's how do you REMOVE information. Basically, when someone doxxes someone, and dumps the result onto your system, how to you remove it? If you don't have a facility for rendering intentionally malicious information impossible to access , your system is fundamentally broken.

I think the tough part is deciding who should be the arbiter or whether information is intentionally malicious. Censorship can be a real issue. For the DIRT protocol, if want to remove information, you also need to deposit tokens and put forth evidence to convince voters in the network to side with you. If you lose the vote, then you would also lose tokens. We put forth an economic penalty for being inaccurate.

I think the EU is going to put forth an economic penalty for the network to retain personal information when someone doesn't want it to.

Just because everyone else on the network votes that it should stay there doesn't mean the law agrees.

Re: DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Post by heyitsguay »

yinyinwu wrote: post #62
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change will quickly be proven as completely fake …by big oil's dollars.

Climate change is an interesting example. An example of a DIRT registry, would not be the question of "is climate change real". It's unclear what defines "real". Rather a registry could be a list of the average air temperature in a city over time.

Average air temperature according to whom? How do you verify the values, recorded ostensibly from sensors, were ever measured? How do you verify historical data for everything pre-2018?

Re: DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Post by redavni »

heyitsguay wrote: post #76
yinyinwu wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change is an interesting example. An example of a DIRT registry, would not be the question of "is climate change real". It's unclear what defines "real". Rather a registry could be a list of the average air temperature in a city over time.

Average air temperature according to whom? How do you verify the values, recorded ostensibly from sensors, were ever measured? How do you verify historical data for everything pre-2018?

Ground truth can be constrained statistically.

Don't take me wrong. I don't really see the value in inventing a truth bureaucracy that rewards participants in fake money. This dirt system is just silicon valley, in it's typical naivety, trying to reinvent propaganda.

Re: DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Post by fake-name »

yinyinwu wrote: post #15
fake-name wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't answer the more important question. The issue isn't how do you handle "incorrect" information, it's how do you REMOVE information. Basically, when someone doxxes someone, and dumps the result onto your system, how to you remove it? If you don't have a facility for rendering intentionally malicious information impossible to access , your system is fundamentally broken.

I think the tough part is deciding who should be the arbiter or whether information is intentionally malicious. Censorship can be a real issue. For the DIRT protocol, if want to remove information, you also need to deposit tokens and put forth evidence to convince voters in the network to side with you. If you lose the vote, then you would also lose tokens. We put forth an economic penalty for being inaccurate.

A.K.A. A abusers paradise.

You HAVE to have moderation facilities.

Re: DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Post by VectorLock »

TekMol wrote: post #48
yinyinwu wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before Wikipedia, the idea that an openly edited online journal would be better and more accurate alternative to Encyclopedia Brittanica would be surprising to most people. There's two parts of the design that leads to more accuracy for DIRT: 1. Skin in the game - a token deposit to write encourages accuracy because you can lose the deposit if you are incorrect. 2. Encouraging moderation - moderators can earn tokens.…

you can lose the deposit if you are incorrect How would the system know which side is correct and which side is incorrect? From what you wrote so far, it just counts which side put in more money.

Either thats the secret sauce that got them $3m with zero openly published work, or the "who is right" is completely hand-waved over or relies on some oracle.

Re: DIRT Protocol raises $3M to build a Wikipedia for structured data

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Post by VectorLock »

yinyinwu wrote: post #3
eindiran wrote: post #2

Can someone explain how exactly DIRT protocol will do moderation? From their site [1] it seems like they do some sort of moderating of crowd-sourced structured data. But this is where I am a bit confused: "DIRT maintains accuracy because every contributor needs to deposit tokens to write data. If the data is correct, it is freely shared. If the data is incorrect, anyone can challenge the data and earn tokens for iden…

Hi! Thanks for the question. DIRT works well for objective information. In the cryptocurrency use case, this could be the ERC-20 smart contract address for a token or a list of investors for a project. To flag information as incorrect, you need to take tokens and challenge the data. A challenge starts a vote and anyone in the DIRT network can vote with their tokens on what information is correct. The vote winner and…

So the 'truth' is whichever way the majority votes? Putting side the obvious issues with that, what prevents someone who has the largest warchest from sweeping everything or is it just an assumption that no-one will have a 51% share blockchains are largely based on?
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