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The Mountain Circuit on Isle of Man.
Equally legendary, often deadly, and also absolutely wouldn't even be considered if someone proposed it today. And the Nürburgring has various safety features. The Mountain Circuit has basically nothing, just a road.
Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable
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Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable
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It may even be bumpier than the current standard for German public roads, which are generally of exceedingly high quality. Most people know about the unrestricted sections of the autobahn, and it is certainly fun to flog a rental Opel Corsa with a 1.0L 3-cylinder engine to 160kph, while being overtaken like you were standing still by various Porsches and big BMW/Mercedes/Audis. But the real fun is that the general sp…
> It may even be bumpier than the current standard for German public roads, which are generally of exceedingly high quality. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/794/698/475... > But the real fun is that the general speed limit is 100kph (62mph) off the autobahn and outside of towns, even for relatively small and curvy roads. Well they certainly remain to exist, but sadly there is a tendency since ~10 yea…
Honestly, you have no idea how good you have it road-wise, compared to Denmark or the UK or especially the US.
Down here in the Schwarzwald/Schwaben area, they really are in amazing condition and the majority of roads are still 100kph or at least 80kph in the trickier sections. Sure, there are a few villages with blanket 30kph limits (WTF) and the occasional 70kph sections around tricky intersections. But other than that, it's very good still, and 100kph on some surprisingly curving roads. Mostly unlimited autobahn too, although I know they're reigning that in as well.
Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It may even be bumpier than the current standard for German public roads, which are generally of exceedingly high quality. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/794/698/475... > But the real fun is that the general speed limit is 100kph (62mph) off the autobahn and outside of towns, even for relatively small and curvy roads. Well they certainly remain to exist, but sadly there is a tendency since ~10 yea…
Up north, I expect the roads to be more similar to the ones in Denmark that I'm used to, ie. potholed, frost damaged and sort-of repaired. Honestly, you have no idea how good you have it road-wise, compared to Denmark or the UK or especially the US. Down here in the Schwarzwald/Schwaben area, they really are in amazing condition and the majority of roads are still 100kph or at least 80kph in the trickier sections. Su…
But roads are easy when in a small country with a dense population like Germany. Heck, you can drive from one side of Germany to the other in a single tank of gas. Compare that to properly large roads like those in Canada, or Russia. (I'd add Australia but the weather is so good there that they have no word for pothole.)
How small Germany is compared to one of Canada's medium-sized provinces.
https://mapfight.appspot.com/de-vs-british.columbia/germany-...
Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable
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Up north, I expect the roads to be more similar to the ones in Denmark that I'm used to, ie. potholed, frost damaged and sort-of repaired. Honestly, you have no idea how good you have it road-wise, compared to Denmark or the UK or especially the US. Down here in the Schwarzwald/Schwaben area, they really are in amazing condition and the majority of roads are still 100kph or at least 80kph in the trickier sections. Su…
>> Honestly, you have no idea how good you have it road-wise, compared to Denmark or the UK or especially the US. But roads are easy when in a small country with a dense population like Germany. Heck, you can drive from one side of Germany to the other in a single tank of gas. Compare that to properly large roads like those in Canada, or Russia. (I'd add Australia but the weather is so good there that they have no wo…
The average population density of Germany is ~46 times greater than British Columbia. So yeah, obviously you get some long stretches of badly-maintained roads in BC. That wasn't my point, though.
The roads in comparable situations between Denmark and Germany lean very heavily towards Germany having much higher quality. For goodness' sake, they'll put up "Straßenschäden" signs for even tiny little holes in the asphalt. In Denmark, they won't put up a warning sign until someone falls in, and sometimes not even then.
Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable
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>> Honestly, you have no idea how good you have it road-wise, compared to Denmark or the UK or especially the US. But roads are easy when in a small country with a dense population like Germany. Heck, you can drive from one side of Germany to the other in a single tank of gas. Compare that to properly large roads like those in Canada, or Russia. (I'd add Australia but the weather is so good there that they have no wo…
Not a lot of that is very densely populated though, and doesn't need very many roads. You need to compare areas with roughly the same population density, and when I do that, Danmark and the UK and the US completely fail to measure up to Germany. The average population density of Germany is ~46 times greater than British Columbia. So yeah, obviously you get some long stretches of badly-maintained roads in BC. That was…
... and accordingly traffic is much denser, and roads will see a lot more wear.
Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable
#76It wasn't unbreakable, nobody was trying to break it. Nobody wants to risk multi-million dollar, one-of-a-kind race cars on that track just for bragging rights. An unrestricted F1 car could've smashed the record at any point in the last 20 years.
In order for an F1 car to beat this unrestricted LMP1 design it would have to wind up looking more like the LMP1 design than the F1 car it started as.
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I would have assumed that it was primarily just because of the principle that to go as fast as possible, you need to be using 100% of your grip at all times either accelerating, braking, or turning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_forces I've sometimes thought that it would be a neat addition to a performance car's instrumentation to have a gauge that showed where you were in the traction circle.
> I've sometimes thought that it would be a neat addition to a performance car's instrumentation to have a gauge that showed where you were in the traction circle. Didn't the Nissan Skyline GTR have this?
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is it not kmh?
Yes. Unless somehow they are getting to a top speed of 370mph and seem to be engine rpm limited at that.
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#79I would love to see how fast this can be done by a customized self driving car. (think: full knowledge of track geometries, of its own physical specifications, etc..)
No meatbag in the car removes a lot of limitations introduced for safety reasons, so more exciting race types can be introduced, both old (group B rally, anyone?) and new. Benefits for consumer self driving tech are just gravy.
Re: Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was unbreakable
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It's also very bumpy. More like a normal road than a race track. A team manager once told me that not every driver can go full throttle on the longest straight because of the bumps.
It may even be bumpier than the current standard for German public roads, which are generally of exceedingly high quality. Most people know about the unrestricted sections of the autobahn, and it is certainly fun to flog a rental Opel Corsa with a 1.0L 3-cylinder engine to 160kph, while being overtaken like you were standing still by various Porsches and big BMW/Mercedes/Audis. But the real fun is that the general sp…
I learned to drive there. Recommend this route:
Sasbachwalden > Seebach > Ottenhoefen > Allerheiligen > Ruhestein
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/77887+Sasbachwalden,+Germany...
Have fun! The race is always won on the corners, not on the straights ...