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Instead of ‘finding your passion,’ try developing it, Stanford scholars say

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Re: Instead of ‘finding your passion,’ try developing it, Stanford scholars say

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Post by darkerside »

sethrin wrote: post #48
darkerside wrote: post #35

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This might start well, but what happens when the environment changes? Maybe that musicians music doesn't pan out, maybe we thought bread would be a more popular export so we have too many bakers. Are we going to jerk people around to follow the command economy, or are we going to simply get outcompeted by capitalism in the global market place?

What exactly do you mean by "outcompeted" here?

I mean, are we going to create suboptimal products and services, ceding economic growth to other nations.

Re: Instead of ‘finding your passion,’ try developing it, Stanford scholars say

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anoplus wrote: post #54
darkerside wrote: post #33

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I love this perspective on passions and finding joy in the practical. As a former smoker, I used to get a nicotine rush while having conversations in person or over the phone (while smoking). Once that went away, 5+ years ago, I found that I enjoyed conversation less and really needed to make an effort to initiate and continue it. That hasn't gone away, so I'm hoping to get some other good perspectives on the later h…

Elaborating here with following thoughts. The approach I try to apply for "socializing" which I really unsure about - and perhaps that unsureness is exactly the point - is be a little like some machine learning algorithm. When "training set" is scarce and confidence is absolute zero, it still makes a "guess" to train. Another metaphore is playing an insturment. When you play an insturment you don't want to stop and t…

Do you ever get scared you could get "too good" at socializing? To the point of manipulation?

Re: Instead of ‘finding your passion,’ try developing it, Stanford scholars say

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Post by nojvek »

wonderbear wrote: post #52
anoplus wrote: post #18

I explore passion because I think there are things more "economical" to be passionate about. I am now a software developer. When I was in high-school I didn't get the point of computers beyond playing pc games all summer long. I just heard once in a while "if you pick cumputers major you will have a descent job". I was a painter in high-school. I wanted to create amazing and realistic paintings to wow everyone. And I…

> Maybe is because "just hangout with someone" is not clearly defined. What is the point? what do we want to talk about? I don't socialize a lot outside of work. I felt this way for a very long time. Never had many friends growing up for much this reason; it didn't feel rewarding to spend time with anyone except my stepdad (my mentor, because I was always learning with him and he was one of the only people that made…

I love hanging around with people who think differently than I do. Bring a different perspective on things. Have good stories to tell, seek deeper theorems on why things are the way they are. The ideas need to have sex in order to birth even greater ideas.

Hikes and long drives are a great way to foster relationships. There is something about being around places that you haven’t been before that provoke new ideas.

Re: Instead of ‘finding your passion,’ try developing it, Stanford scholars say

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Post by sethrin »

darkerside wrote: post #71
sethrin wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly do you mean by "outcompeted" here?

I mean, are we going to create suboptimal products and services, ceding economic growth to other nations.

Most nations are not optimal, and cede all kinds of economic growth to other nations. Why is this a problem?

Re: Instead of ‘finding your passion,’ try developing it, Stanford scholars say

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Post by slededit »

claudiawerner wrote: post #38
dsajames wrote: post #10

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Look at other planned economies. They're horrible. No single group can predict the future. What people need to do is think like responsibly put limits on their adventures. These are grown ass men and women. They are responsible for themselves and if they choose to risk it all on a passion, they have nobody to blame, especially when the money is constantly telling to do something else.

I'm not necessarily an advocate of planned economy (or actually, economy in general; the system I'm looking for has been aptly described as "the end of economy") but what you're saying completely misses the point of what GP was trying to say. These people are responsible for themselves, and they want to follow a passion, to pursue it, despite there not being very much money in it. The money is constantly telling them…

Money is societies way of telling people what they want. A person need not serve society, and society need not always be rational. However just with personal transactions if you want something you have to give something in return.

A person can eschew the pursuit of money but aside from basic support I don't think society needs to reward them for expressly disavowing its desires.

Re: Instead of ‘finding your passion,’ try developing it, Stanford scholars say

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Post by peralmq »

mengledowl wrote: post #6

For those that are interested in this concept, Cal Newport wrote a fantastic book about this concept of developing a passion rather than "finding" it in his book "So Good They Can't Ignore You". Very highly recommend.

Also the work from Angela Lee Duckworth are on this subject.

https://www.ted.com/talks/angela_lee_duckworth_grit_the_powe...

Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance https://g.co/kgs/tprZP4

Re: Instead of ‘finding your passion,’ try developing it, Stanford scholars say

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Post by rzzzt »

Noos wrote: post #68
im3w1l wrote: post #8

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I can't help but wonder if a planned economy would be better, someone who said "you're good enough, pursue this we will support you economically", or said "sorry you didn't make the cut you'll have to develop a passion for something else".

Would you like to be told to develop a passion for cleaning toilets?

Tax optimization works too: https://youtu.be/Bz2-49q6DOI

Re: Instead of ‘finding your passion,’ try developing it, Stanford scholars say

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Post by anoplus »

darkerside wrote: post #72
anoplus wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elaborating here with following thoughts. The approach I try to apply for "socializing" which I really unsure about - and perhaps that unsureness is exactly the point - is be a little like some machine learning algorithm. When "training set" is scarce and confidence is absolute zero, it still makes a "guess" to train. Another metaphore is playing an insturment. When you play an insturment you don't want to stop and t…

Do you ever get scared you could get "too good" at socializing? To the point of manipulation?

I think if you get to influence people by your charisma, you may fear of misleading them into a bad route and feel responsible. I personally rarely feel this one.

Re: Instead of ‘finding your passion,’ try developing it, Stanford scholars say

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Post by darkerside »

sethrin wrote: post #74
darkerside wrote: post #71

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I mean, are we going to create suboptimal products and services, ceding economic growth to other nations.

Most nations are not optimal, and cede all kinds of economic growth to other nations. Why is this a problem?

It's not a problem until there are the equivalent of bread lines (relative difficulties in providing basic goods and services) or other countries get the equivalent of the iPhone (superior goods and services that are affordable for other countries' population but not ours). And yes, this is speaking from a patriotic/state-ist view point.
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