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Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by dvtrn »

dapole wrote: post #65
dvtrn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mentally ill person How did you discover Mr. Nagasaki has a mental ailment?

I wouldn’t jump the gun on that. OP was clearly trying to create a worse case scernaio so that a reader may see the story from the perspective of a land owner vs the first comment which while a beautiful sentiment doesn’t really take practicalities like liability into consideration.

Okay. Fine.

Still doesn't explain how we, or ebbv at least-knows the gentleman has a mental condition. That seems-in the absence of anything confirming so in the article-to be an incredibly uncharitable assumption because the man has chosen a lifestyle us in the 21st century would be inclined to "other"-ize for no good and justifiable reason.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by Timpy »

ebbv wrote: post #60
Timpy wrote: post #45

Imagine feeling completely one with nature, making your position clear that this is where and how you would like to die. The time comes for you to wrestle with your mortality, you've worked for 30 years to do it with dignity. You've rejected man's system, because you know it's not right for you, and in your final moments it comes for you, steals you away, and forces you back into the machine. This isn't a morally imp…

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…

From reading this article I didn't get the impression the owners of the property were at issue with him. I assume that wasn't the case, this narrative certainly was not "30 year pest finally eradicated from beach front."

I made brief comment on what I believe the other side of the story would be; he was sick (suspected flue) and modern medicine could heal him. In most cases I would consider that a moral imperative, as in "it is wrong if you don't do it." But according to the information presented in this article, healing an 82 year old man of the flu is not assuring him any quality of life. Consider it a "Do Not Resuscitate" order. Plenty of elderly have DNRs and have made their wishes clear; they want to die at home.

edit: article posted by doall apparently explaining he was attracting unwanted tourism to what is private property, it's in Japanese: https://www.dailyshincho.jp/article/2015/12090710/?all=1

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by ebbv »

Timpy wrote: post #72
ebbv wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…

From reading this article I didn't get the impression the owners of the property were at issue with him. I assume that wasn't the case, this narrative certainly was not "30 year pest finally eradicated from beach front." I made brief comment on what I believe the other side of the story would be; he was sick (suspected flue) and modern medicine could heal him. In most cases I would consider that a moral imperative, a…

There's another comment here in the article explaining the reason he was removed was at the request of the people who owned the property.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

dapole wrote: post #65
dvtrn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mentally ill person How did you discover Mr. Nagasaki has a mental ailment?

I wouldn’t jump the gun on that. OP was clearly trying to create a worse case scernaio so that a reader may see the story from the perspective of a land owner vs the first comment which while a beautiful sentiment doesn’t really take practicalities like liability into consideration.

Arbitrarily defining someone as mentally ill in order to take away their chosen way life is an age old strawman.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by ebbv »

dvtrn wrote: post #61
ebbv wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…

mentally ill person How did you discover Mr. Nagasaki has a mental ailment?

First word of the sentence was "imagine" my dude.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by [deleted] »

ebbv wrote: post #60
Timpy wrote: post #45

Imagine feeling completely one with nature, making your position clear that this is where and how you would like to die. The time comes for you to wrestle with your mortality, you've worked for 30 years to do it with dignity. You've rejected man's system, because you know it's not right for you, and in your final moments it comes for you, steals you away, and forces you back into the machine. This isn't a morally imp…

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…

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Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

ebbv wrote: post #60
Timpy wrote: post #45

Imagine feeling completely one with nature, making your position clear that this is where and how you would like to die. The time comes for you to wrestle with your mortality, you've worked for 30 years to do it with dignity. You've rejected man's system, because you know it's not right for you, and in your final moments it comes for you, steals you away, and forces you back into the machine. This isn't a morally imp…

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property... There's two (or more) sides to everything. The people who own the island have the legal right to kick him out. I get your perspective but if he really wants to get back to nature he should find a place where he is welcome to do so. EDIT: For all the people asking about the details of the property owners asking him to leave,…

>Imagine some mentally ill person decides he wants to be at one with nature on your property...

Imagine some mentally ill person decides he doesn't want to be one with nature on/as your property.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by dvtrn »

ebbv wrote: post #75
dvtrn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

mentally ill person How did you discover Mr. Nagasaki has a mental ailment?

First word of the sentence was "imagine" my dude.

Yeah no the problem with that is that it's adding a variable to this discussion that does not apply, is not relevant and begs an arbitrary emotional response based on a hypothetical mental health problem-when mental health has been used for quite a long time as an excuse to deny people their rights to life and land.

I'm not going to play 'let's pretend' and step around how ugly your hypothetical is, "my dude".

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by kajumix »

DavidNielsen wrote: post #44
gaius wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

People cite Law of Jante to be anti exceptionalism when in reality it is meant and generally used as a means of reminding high and low alike that we are in this together. We are different, but do not think that your view point on our difference makes you inherently better than me. We are both human, we both share this place called Earth, could we be productive and not turn life into a weirdly specific genitalia measu…

How does one propose this 'law' without violating many of its own rules (#10 especially)? It smacks of snobbery.

Re: Japan's 'Naked Hermit' Pried from Island Utopia After 29 Years

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Post by ebbv »

dvtrn wrote: post #78
ebbv wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First word of the sentence was "imagine" my dude.

Yeah no the problem with that is that it's adding a variable to this discussion that does not apply, is not relevant and begs an arbitrary emotional response based on a hypothetical mental health problem-when mental health has been used for quite a long time as an excuse to deny people their rights to life and land. I'm not going to play 'let's pretend' and step around how ugly your hypothetical is, "my dude".

Ok then ignore that part of my comment it doesn't change much.

Anybody wanting to live on your property, whatever their reasons, who you didn't invite there, is probably not gonna be ok with most people.

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