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Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by tomhallett »

Asooka wrote: post #64
quikoa wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google prefers to automate everything. Having human supervision would affect the bottomline so is out of the question.

Well, let's say it takes 30 minutes to fully check for copyright compliance 10 minutes of video. This means that the speed of one person checking videos is 1/3 unchecked-minutes per minute, or 1/3upm. 400 hours of content are uploaded every minute to youtube, which makes for 24000upm. You will need to employ 96000 people 24/7 to check all videos. Of course, they can't work 24/7, so a more realistic figure is 150000 p…

The question is whether you are more worried about false positives or false negatives.

If you are only worried about false positives, then the humans only need to review the content flagged by the AI. This has 2 benefits: 1) the "starting number" would be much much lower than 400 hours of content per minute. 2) If a 10 minute video is obviously pirated, you don't need to watch the entire video to decide that.

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Post by dghughes »

It seems Phase 1 of analog to digital media (music, TV shows and movies) was late 90s to early 2000s. It was going to happen but the teething pains lasted quite a while. CDs and DVDs were abandoned for USB then just a file.

Now it seems Phase 2 will be trying to control the massive amount of media users share. It's a whack-a-mole game against things like Kodi and sharing media.

For YoutTube it's trying to delete copyright violations and it gets rid of hundreds of accounts which are just created again and the material uploaded again. Even an "AI" can't cope.

At some point it would be nice to see all video, all music available to anyone for a reasonable price. "You will!" as Tom Selleck said. Really it's going to be that way eventually otherwise enormous amounts of money and effort will be spent trying to chase down endless illegal copies.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by earenndil »

zaroth wrote: post #54
linuxps2 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There's a reason much of malware is spread from porn sites. I thought this was no longer the case

With the death of Flash, if malware ads are getting past Chrome’s sandbox isn’t there like $100k at Pwnium just waiting to be claimed?

100k is peanuts compared to what you can make bitcoin mining on the computers of all pornhub users.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by emodendroket »

dghughes wrote: post #72

It seems Phase 1 of analog to digital media (music, TV shows and movies) was late 90s to early 2000s. It was going to happen but the teething pains lasted quite a while. CDs and DVDs were abandoned for USB then just a file. Now it seems Phase 2 will be trying to control the massive amount of media users share. It's a whack-a-mole game against things like Kodi and sharing media. For YoutTube it's trying to delete copy…

CDs, DVDs, and Blurays are still very much around.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by pitaj »

haywirez wrote: post #20

As you might know, this is related to the disastrous EU copyright reform directive proposal that would mandate such filters put in place everywhere. Please don't be complacent, it's very important to do something about this. At risk of repeating my comment[0] from 3 days ago, I'd like to appeal to you to contact the MEPs that will vote on Wednesday in the EU's JURI committee. This was the first time I called politici…

According to some, YouTube's copyright filters / markers aren't good enough to satisfy the EU directive. It's insane. The DMCA is bad enough already. Copyright should be loosened, not tightened. Then maybe we'd see some competition in video hosting.

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Post by emodendroket »

dilap wrote: post #66
ravenstine wrote: post #4

I know this is just filtering for now, but I've been backing up entire channels for fear they'll one day disappear because global policy or legacy media conglomerates won't allow for it. I imagine the "you" in YouTube will be mostly gone in the next decade. The writing's on the wall.

it's quite a shame. google are not being good chaperones of what has become an amazing service and resource. hopefully a completely decentralized replacement will arise. (OT: wow, HN strips emoji!)

What reason is there to think it would? There used to be a bunch of services YouTube competed with; now few of them are even worth mentioning, let alone serious competitors.

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Post by pitaj »

_bxg1 wrote: post #58

I don't understand why no other video platform has broken into YouTube's market share, after the last couple years' constant stream of PR disasters which mostly have to do with the scale of the platform

It's expensive at least partially because publishers will sue the crap out of you if you don't invest heavily in content ID etc. It creates a huge barrier to entry, which is why copyright laws should be reformed to respect the idea of "common carrier" sites which don't discriminate on content.

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Post by simion314 »

earenndil wrote: post #68
Asooka wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, let's say it takes 30 minutes to fully check for copyright compliance 10 minutes of video. This means that the speed of one person checking videos is 1/3 unchecked-minutes per minute, or 1/3upm. 400 hours of content are uploaded every minute to youtube, which makes for 24000upm. You will need to employ 96000 people 24/7 to check all videos. Of course, they can't work 24/7, so a more realistic figure is 150000 p…

Why not simply have humans review the videos that are automatically flagged? That would be a significant improvement over the current state of affairs, and would command a significantly more reasonable price.

Exactly, have the code extract the exact section of video that it considers problematic on left side and on the right side put the copyrighted work, the human will lose a few seconds to have a look.

Also I do not understand why Google does not use a reputation system, if a channel has a good reputation then take this in consideration in the automatic detection.

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Post by mygo »

simion314 wrote: post #38
reificator wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not demonizing the people making it, or even necessarily the people demanding it be made. The DMCA was the beginning of the end of a free and open internet, and now it's accelerating. I just hope the next generation understands what they're missing under the spectre of copyright law.

Humans are to blame for using horrible AI/software. At least if you know your AI is that broken then have some human supervision.

today in order to do a Google search I had to prove to Google that I wasn’t a robot. And even though I did it right the second time, they still made me do it a third time. I just remember sitting there going, Google, I actually am a human and your AI sucks so if I have to tap on storefronts and cars one more time to do a freaking Google search then I’m just using Bing.

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Post by tzs »

jedberg wrote: post #25
reificator wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen nature videos where there's no sound but the birds chirping, and YouTube is still able to hear someone playing All-Star on Mars and flag the video. It's really incredible tech. EDIT: The article actually mentions some similar examples: http://c4sif.org/2012/02/youtube-identifies-birdsong-as-copy...

I know the guy who created ContentID. He's a good guy and only had good intentions, namely to keep YouTube in business by identifying legit copyright issues. At the time, a human had to review all the claims. This is a good example of how AI can go bad.

Looking at the DMCA requirements, it doesn't appear like it would require a lot of human intervention.

1. Copyright owner provides written notification of the alleged infringement.

The notification has to provide reasonably sufficient information to allow Google to locate the alleged infringing material; provide contact information for the claimant; include a statement that the claimant has a good faith believe that the use is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law; and a statement that the information the claim is accurate, and that the claimant is authorized to act for the owner.

2. Google then has to remove or disable the material, and take reasonable steps to notify the uploader of the issue.

If the uploader does not make a counter notification, it looks like that's the end of Google's obligations.

If the uploader files a counter notification, Google has to notify the claimant. If the claimant does not file a lawsuit against the uploader within 14 days, Google has to restore the material.

Note that nothing in here seems to require Google to actually look at the material and decide if they think it is infringing. Nor does it require them to proactively seek to find infringing material and notify content providers or block such material. They just have to check that the claimant (and the uploader if they get a counter notice) have included the things in their notice that the law requires. They should be able to automate that for most claims.

The ContentID system seems to be going far beyond what DMCA requires them to do to keep their safe harbor. I wonder why they are doing that? Maybe because they want to also be content sellers, and so want to keep the content providers happy with them?

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