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Wi-fi is an important threat to human health

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Re: Wi-fi is an important threat to human health

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Post by ben509 »

teekert wrote: post #30
eu wrote: post #5

Could we take suppliments to counter-ballance this?

Perhaps? Something like sunscreen? 2.4 GHz is the frequency at which water resonates so our bodies are already giant optimal absorbers of wifi energey, I wonder if anything would help.

> 2.4 GHz is the frequency at which water resonates

Answers by people who understand this better than me here [1], but 2.4GHz is not "the" resonant frequency, water has a number of frequencies it interacts with radiation. And water isn't going to behave like a tuning fork anyway, it would be more analogous to sand. Microwaves interact with water by dipole interaction, and they just unload heat.

That's why wifi isn't going to do much to your body, any cooking of you being done by radiation is trivial compared to your own body heat.

[1] https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/169173/what-is-t...

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Post by pas »

Gnarl wrote: post #55

Nothing new. This review just dares to aggregate and conclude on other reviews which have established that modulated, polarized, low-level microwave transmissions (like f.x. WiFi) causes effects like significant oxidative cell stress which is a known precursor to a whole host of health effects - cancer included. Dr. Pall offers a mechanistic explanation for the repeatedly established effects: the activation of voltag…

This sounds interesting. Are there big cohort studies of the effects? (How easy it is to separate this from better cancer detection methods?) What type of cancers are being induced by this? What's the effect size?

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Post by gtt »

hprotagonist wrote: post #35

https://www.nutricology.com/martin-pall-products/ i wonder if his medicines can help? ... single-author papers scream "crank" to me.

>>... single-author papers scream "crank" to me.

Not necessary. Consider this: https://scholar.google.ru/citations?user=qc6CJjYAAAAJ&hl=ru&...

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Post by floren »

dang wrote: post #70
floren wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's published in "Environmental Research", a journal with an impact factor of 3.8. This is quite low. If the claims made by this paper are true, it has huge implications, so there's two possibilities: 'Science' and other prestigious journals are SUPPRESSING THE TRUTH due to INFLUENCE by BIG WIFI and passing up the opportunity to publish an incredibly important story, or the actual research is garbage.

Could you please not use allcaps for emphasis in HN comments? This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

Sorry dang, I'm imitating the, erm, peculiar writing style you'll see when this sort of thing comes up.

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Post by thinkcomp »

Gnarl wrote: post #65
thinkcomp wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. He also thinks electromagnetic waves cause autism (and he's not an MD). http://www.autismone.org/content/martin-l-pall-ba-phd-autism...

One of the U.S. leading autism experts (Harvard MD) has co-written papers on the plausible link between low-level electromagnetic field exposure and autism spectrum disorders. The key here is also: oxidative stress, brain inflammation and blood-brain-barrier damage - as in Dr. Palls review. Ref 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24095003 Ref 2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24113318

She is also a quack, and hardly one of the "leading autism experts" in the United States.

http://sethmnookin.com/2011/04/20/researcher-who-does-not-me...

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2016/10/1730-martha-herber...

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Post by Shikadi »

Gnarl wrote: post #67
jkmcf wrote: post #57

Vaguely related: "EINSTEIN DIDN'T WIN the Nobel Prize for the theory of relativity. He won it for showing that you don't need to worry about radiation from your cell phone." - https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Einstein-Yo... More specifically, http://ap.io/blog/radiofrequency/ , The gist being if the photons don't have enough energy to affect your atoms, your don't need to worry too much. Since the pow…

"...showing that you don't need to worry about radiation from your cell phone". Dude. Will you please - PLEASE - just read the biological evidence and move on from that outdated (physicists) argument about photon energy. It is now amply established that low-level microwave radiation causes oxidative stress which can damage DNA and increase your risk of inflammation and cancer. Its an indirect effect. Little to do wit…

What evidence?

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Post by hprotagonist »

gtt wrote: post #73
hprotagonist wrote: post #35

https://www.nutricology.com/martin-pall-products/ i wonder if his medicines can help? ... single-author papers scream "crank" to me.

>>... single-author papers scream "crank" to me. Not necessary. Consider this: https://scholar.google.ru/citations?user=qc6CJjYAAAAJ&hl=ru&...

sorry, should’ve been more specific.

single author papers in fields that require lab work—medicine, biotech, chemistry, etc... all scream crank. in fields that need infrastructure, collaboration is normal.

you can be a perfectly fine mathematician publishing single author work more reasonably than, say, a cell biologist could.

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Post by frandroid »

gbenzzz wrote: post #62

My MIL is convinced that WiFi is the cause of all of her skin issues and headaches. She quit her job because IT refused to move one of their routers from near her office. She sleeps in a Faraday cage :-|

So her headaches should be resolved?

On the other hand, quitting her job might have done that alone ;)

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