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Re: How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news feed than Facebook

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Chromium is technically free software, yes, but it's a horrible example of it. Because Google entirely controls code contributions to it. Only a fork could be amended the way that the community wants it. The same is obviously true for Firefox, with Mozilla being the gatekeeper, but this is where non-profit vs. for-profit does come back into play. As for bad things in Chromium, as well as a fork that tries to fix it:…

So you say that the basic difference is the non-profit status of Mozilla, in a discusion about things that Mozilla does to make money. I'm not convinced. Non-profit status doesn't mean that they refuse to take money, but that there are no stock holders. The organization as such is still interested in maximizing revenues and people working in it are not necessarily volunteers. How is decided who works for Mozilla and…

There's the Mozilla Foundation, which is legally a non-profit. More specifically, they are this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)(3)_organization

So, there's actual clear specifications of what they're allowed to do and what not. I don't know the exact ramifications either, but some important points are that they're not allowed to keep more than a set amount of money and that any money they get a hold of, which exceeds this amount of money, they have to invest into their specified mission (which in the case of Mozilla is to make the internet a healthier place: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/).

They are allowed to pay people appropriate wages, but as you've already pointed out, there's no stock holders. No one gets paid out extra money when they make extra profit. They are legally bound to reinvest this money into their mission.

And there's also the Mozilla Corporation. The Corporation is not legally a non-profit. So, they don't get tax exemptions, but can keep around as much money as they want. So, in a way, they can make a profit, which is by increasing the amount of money they keep in their bank account.

However, they are a 100% subsidiary of the non-profit Mozilla Foundation. So, the Mozilla Foundation is their only stock holder. If they do make extra profit, they either have to reinvest it right away, put it on their bank account to reinvest later, or they can pay it out to the Mozilla Foundation, where it's again in non-profit hands, and is therefore legally enforced to be reinvested into Mozilla's stated mission. In other words, it's not possible for the Corporation to make profit which is not at some point reinvested.

The Corporation being a subsidiary also means that the Mozilla Foundation holds sovereignty over the Corporation. They can throw out Mitchell Baker (Executive Chairwoman) or Chris Beard (CEO) and set their wages.

So, the Corporation has motivation to make a profit, because the Foundation could throw out their key people, which in turn could throw out any slackers within the Corporation.

The Foundation also continues to hold the Firefox and Mozilla trademarks and has the final say of what's included into Firefox's source code.

Re: How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news feed than Facebook

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So you say that the basic difference is the non-profit status of Mozilla, in a discusion about things that Mozilla does to make money. I'm not convinced. Non-profit status doesn't mean that they refuse to take money, but that there are no stock holders. The organization as such is still interested in maximizing revenues and people working in it are not necessarily volunteers. How is decided who works for Mozilla and…

There's the Mozilla Foundation, which is legally a non-profit. More specifically, they are this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)(3)_organization So, there's actual clear specifications of what they're allowed to do and what not. I don't know the exact ramifications either, but some important points are that they're not allowed to keep more than a set amount of money and that any money they get a hold of, w…

That's what I thought. Not motivated by greed, but self-preservation.

Re: How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news feed than Facebook

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I'm really excited on what Mozilla is doing with Pocket and I hope it continues down that path. Currently my only gripe is that I cannot download the archived version of webpages I have and not easily make public link collections (atleast as far as I've seen), for which I currently use Shaarli... Otherwise it's a cool product.

Here is my backup chain for articles I want to read later/archive against link rot: I run my own Wallabag instance (self-hosted pocket). Wallabag offers an rss feed for all new articles that triggers IFTTT to a) save a copy to pocket (just as backup) b) save a markdown version of the article to dropbox (via http://heckyesmarkdown.com/go/?read=1&preview=0&showframe=0&...)

Wallabag also offers automatic tagging rules and RSS feeds to each tag.

https://wallabag.org/en

Re: How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news feed than Facebook

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Hover over pocket area on new tab, click the '...' in the top right, click "Remove Section", done. Firefox is about letting you control your browser experience, that's why the ability to easily remove options you might not like will always exist. If/when this ever changes, that would be a significant departure from their Mission statement.

> Firefox is about letting you control your browser experience The true history of Pocket suggests otherwise -- in 2015 Mozilla integrated Pocket, which was at that time a private company separate from Mozilla, into Firefox. Further, when Mozilla first integrated it into Firefox, there was no way to remove it, only hide the icon: > "This page http://help.getpocket.com/customer/portal/articles/1999137-h... . purports…

It strikes me as intriguing that people think there was ever a "severe backlash" over Pocket, let alone that it was what would have caused Mozilla to buy Pocket. Why would they not have bought it right away if that was the case? For that matter, why would they have bought it at all?

I fear you're vastly overestimating the effects a few people had on Mozilla's decision to experiment with, then buy a company that could help them potentially gain some actual influence over content-makers and the ad industry, and hopefully reduce their utter reliance on Google's money.

At best, the only thing the criticism over Pocket accomplished was to hasten Mozilla's pre-existing desire to develop these kinds of features as (what became) Test Pilot extensions.

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