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Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by rusk » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 9:15 AM UTC

jlebrech wrote: post #66

krageon wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're going to eat salmon anyway (and lots of people do), it's much less destructive to eat it factory farmed. This actually goes for every single fish.

factory farming contributes to ocean dead zones

how so?

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by raverbashing » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 9:24 AM UTC

dmix wrote: post #34

forkLding wrote: post #27

Talk about unnecessary cruelty, lemmings are quite cute creatures, can't imagine what was going thru their heads ("the Disney filmmakers") when they threw all those lemmings off a cliff to their deaths for a film.

> lemmings are quite cute creatures The most important attribute for animal rights causes it seems. If Facebook campaigns are any measure...

You play the hands you are dealt.

How many species have gone extinct for purely natural reasons again?

Humans are a non-linear term in the equation, but the idea of an untouched and immutable nature is incorrect.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by jcelerier » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 9:43 AM UTC

Nadya wrote: post #62

This is triply interesting for me because I had never heard of this myth and, reading the comments, I appear the be the only one out of the loop on the myth itself or the game. I wonder how many other pop-sci myths I'm unaware of.

> I had never heard of this myth

so... never played the Lemmings video game ?

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by _pmf_ » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 9:51 AM UTC

Nature documentaries are laboriously produced works of fiction.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by ainiriand » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 10:02 AM UTC

_pmf_ wrote: post #74

Nature documentaries are laboriously produced works of fiction.

Like any other form of art, it tells you a lie to speak the truth.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by kartan » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 10:07 AM UTC

This is not my personal experience.

Lemmings are fearless creatures that will scream to any animal, including humans, that cross their path.

I have seen a Lemmings confronting a crow. The crow sends the lemmings flying on three different occasions until it took the lemming dead body and left flying. The lemmings never tried to run or hide, it just was screaming at the crow until its very last moments.

So I can see that "mass suicide" is a myth. But it has some true on it looking at the lemmings' behaviour.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by mywacaday » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 10:38 AM UTC

lintroller wrote: post #2

This is covered in the 99% Invisible podcast episode 256 Sounds Natural - https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/sounds-natural/ I found this entire episode fascinating, especially the part about Elephant footsteps being nearly silent in the real world.

I was lucky enough to have an elephant ride through the jungle in Thailand, can confirm that they are almost silent, only noise is the brush being pushed to one side on a path just wide enough for a person to walk. Amazing animals.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by sleepychu » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 10:56 AM UTC

mywacaday wrote: post #77

lintroller wrote: post #2

This is covered in the 99% Invisible podcast episode 256 Sounds Natural - https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/sounds-natural/ I found this entire episode fascinating, especially the part about Elephant footsteps being nearly silent in the real world.

I was lucky enough to have an elephant ride through the jungle in Thailand, can confirm that they are almost silent, only noise is the brush being pushed to one side on a path just wide enough for a person to walk. Amazing animals.

https://www.thedodo.com/elephant-rides-trek-1132645600.html :-(

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by chris_overseas » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 10:56 AM UTC

mywacaday wrote: post #77

lintroller wrote: post #2

This is covered in the 99% Invisible podcast episode 256 Sounds Natural - https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/sounds-natural/ I found this entire episode fascinating, especially the part about Elephant footsteps being nearly silent in the real world.

I was lucky enough to have an elephant ride through the jungle in Thailand, can confirm that they are almost silent, only noise is the brush being pushed to one side on a path just wide enough for a person to walk. Amazing animals.

Not so lucky for the elephant though I'm afraid to say[1] :( The best way to experience elephants is on safari, where you can get close to truly wild elephants in their natural environment - something that to me at least feels much more rewarding than riding one in captivity. With a well chosen safari the fees you pay will be going to local guides and helping support and protect the animals too.

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/asia/elephant-riding-ph...

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Post by garmaine » Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 10:57 AM UTC

hexscrews wrote: post #45

paulie_a wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tldr: Disney committed lemming genocide

Wouldn't xenocide be a more apt description? A quick search for genocide gives the definition of: "the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation." While xenocide is described as: xenocide (plural xenocides) The killing of a stranger or foreigner. (science fiction) The genocide of an entire alien species. (US, colloquial) The intentional killing of an entire…

Why? Genocide is by derivation the killing or wiping out of a genetic population. Why can’t that be applied to purposeful extinction of an animal species?