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React is the new jQuery

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Re: React is the new jQuery

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Post by Izkata »

superfrank wrote: post #52
jaydenseric wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you were doing custom jQuery builds per project (which no-one was), it was always bad. People would routinely drop in the 35kb lib and only use 3-4 functions.

That's not really a problem with jQuery, that's a problem with the way people were using it. Also, a slow loading JS lib wasn't as much of an issue 5-7 years ago when jQuery was really in its heyday. Web pages were simpler and more information based back then and it was usually a requirement that they be useable without javascript. Since you are (should be) loading jQuery at the end of the page (or asynchronously) th…

> Also, a slow loading JS lib wasn't as much of an issue 5-7 years ago when jQuery was really in its heyday.

Not to mention it was recommended to point your "src=" to one of the common cdns, so it would likely already be in the user's cache from some other website that used the same jquery version.

Re: React is the new jQuery

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Post by jiggliemon »

digitalzombie wrote: post #49
wolfspider wrote: post #40

I think there is some confusion comparing jquery with frameworks in general heh- time for a history lesson! So back in the mid-aughts right before jquery there was prototype. I got hired into a job where I had to maintain sites written with both in the past and they were very similar to each other. Ajax was new and so was the class based handling of JS to make it more object oriented. It could be done but prototype m…

There were also mootools and dojo. I was more into those two but jQuery made everything dead simple.

Mootools was great! They took what was good about mootools and built that into React.

A lot of the mootools team moved into React. At least the ones I was familiar with.

Re: React is the new jQuery

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Post by oliyoung »

superfrank wrote: post #13

> React is the new jQuery Anyone who uses "the new jQuery" as some sort of insult (as it seems Sara did in her tweet) probably hasn't been a developer for more than a few years or is just trying to sound smarter than they are by bashing an easy target. The reason jQuery got so popular is that it made common tasks so much easier than anything else at the time. Anyone who was doing web development before jQuery knows w…

> probably hasn't been a developer for more than a few years or is just trying to sound smarter than they are by bashing an easy target.

Yet, Sara is neither of those, she's a well respected developer, who's work with CSS and SVG is world-class.

If she's using jQuery as a comparison she's doing it from a place of experience and knowledge

Re: React is the new jQuery

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Post by _betty_ »

itsangaris wrote: post #65

Ok, so Brad is already making sweeping declarations about React, yet less than a month ago he specifically posted about his struggle to learn it: http://bradfrost.com/blog/post/my-struggle-to-learn-react/ cool...

Almost like some people don't quite get that's its intended to be used for complex applications rather than just websites.

Re: React is the new jQuery

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Post by medhir »

Achshar wrote: post #68

I find myself defending myself a lot these days here. I use vanilla js. Never had any trouble, I literally have no bundle, no dependencies, the amount of code I have to write is basically the same either way, no trouble syncing state with DOM either. Have done so in two moderate projects (40k, 15k). Everyone I meet looks at me like I'm crazy. But in the same breadth say the site feels so smooth and responsive. No shi…

Do you have any advice for developing this way? I've found myself too sticking in the VanillaJS camp, but not being able to talk about React seems to dissuade potential employers.

Re: React is the new jQuery

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Post by rbosinger »

As a member of a busy, small team with a Rails app and a jQuery heavy front-end... I agree. We use React in a few places and wanted to simply introduce it slowly and "convert to React where we could". It simply has not worked out for us. We have typical server side rendered HTML that has been progressively enhanced with sprinkles of JS (jQuery + various plugins). We do not and cannot book much developer time for refactoring and can only really improve the code itself in bits using the "boy scout rule" (leave the area you're working on better than you found it). For us, it turns out that yanking out chunks of jQuery and replacing them with React did not work out very well.

Re: React is the new jQuery

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Post by wolco »

Achshar wrote: post #68

I find myself defending myself a lot these days here. I use vanilla js. Never had any trouble, I literally have no bundle, no dependencies, the amount of code I have to write is basically the same either way, no trouble syncing state with DOM either. Have done so in two moderate projects (40k, 15k). Everyone I meet looks at me like I'm crazy. But in the same breadth say the site feels so smooth and responsive. No shi…

Curious are you writing newer style javascript with polyfills or just plain old school javascript?

Re: React is the new jQuery

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Post by cm2187 »

jaydenseric wrote: post #42
superfrank wrote: post #13

> React is the new jQuery Anyone who uses "the new jQuery" as some sort of insult (as it seems Sara did in her tweet) probably hasn't been a developer for more than a few years or is just trying to sound smarter than they are by bashing an easy target. The reason jQuery got so popular is that it made common tasks so much easier than anything else at the time. Anyone who was doing web development before jQuery knows w…

Unless you were doing custom jQuery builds per project (which no-one was), it was always bad. People would routinely drop in the 35kb lib and only use 3-4 functions.

I wish typical webpages would only pull 35kb of resources.

Re: React is the new jQuery

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Post by vezycash »

ksec wrote: post #66
superfrank wrote: post #13

> React is the new jQuery Anyone who uses "the new jQuery" as some sort of insult (as it seems Sara did in her tweet) probably hasn't been a developer for more than a few years or is just trying to sound smarter than they are by bashing an easy target. The reason jQuery got so popular is that it made common tasks so much easier than anything else at the time. Anyone who was doing web development before jQuery knows w…

Well kids these days. They said webkit is the new IE, and said the IE era was IE7. Sigh I cant even name a similar piece of software in web development history that is as important as jQuery. Despite Web development as a whole, back end or front end is still no where near being good enough, it is still many times better then the old days.

>cant even name a similar piece of software in web development history that is as important as jQuery.

Php?

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