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EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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If the sites don't want the traffic from links that drive their revenue then why don't they identify the servers which are prefetching content and IP ban them and file abuse complaints. They probably have very identifiable User-Agent strings.

Also this link tax reminds me that I think browser vendors should provide better privacy options for removing the referer header from link requests to prevent tracking.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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I don't necessarily agree but the immediate downvotes anyone receives for questioning the EU's pure intentions is interesting. People are either extremely trusting of huge global governments or we're being brigaded.

I didn't downvote, but the part I object to is the socialist moniker, not the questioning of their motives.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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Playing devil’s advocate: What if the link tax will replace advertising as the main source or revenue for publishers? Wouldn’t that be a Good Thing (TM)?

Coming up next: European publishers discover that search engines preferentially link non-European publishers due to the link tax. Coming up after that: More unexpected effects.

Yea, I don't like the current debt-based economy in the first place that treats people as consumers to be extracted from.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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As public regulators all over the world are busy pushing regulations (what else? that is their sole job after all) maybe it is time to stop and ask: are we losing more than we are gaining? Everything has a price and free markets are the only mechanism for determining that price. But regulations overwrite that price with one determined by politics and lobby and populism. This new price is paid by all no matter if we w…

This seems like a greatly oversimplified view of things. Regulations are tools. They’re not inherently good or bad. It depends on how you use them. If the bad regulations outweigh the good, the solution isn’t to give up on regulation, it’s to cut the bad ones. It doesn’t make sense to lump together regulations on the acceptable amount of lead in drinking water, regulations on operations of a commercial airline, and r…

> Regulations are tools. They’re not inherently good or bad. It depends on how you use them.

It's not just that though. There are good and bad regulations in the sense that the law against murder is good and DMCA 1201 is bad, but there are also compliance costs for any regulation, even good ones.

Economic transactions have a certain amount of surplus. The value of doing something is $100 and the cost of doing it is $20, so we do it and gain $80 worth of surplus.

Compliance costs consume part of the surplus. Maybe it costs $5 more but we gain $10 in positive externalities, so it's worth it from a societal perspective. (But not from the perspective of the parties or we wouldn't need a regulation to get them to do it.)

The problem comes when you start stacking them. $25 is still less than $100. $50 is less than $100. $90 is less than $100. But at $101 people stop participating in the transaction and you lose the whole stack. All the benefits of the transaction, to everyone, including the positive externalities the regulations were intended to provide, are lost.

This is true even if every regulation is individually justifiable. There comes a point when the compliance costs exceed the economic surplus available to cover them. It doesn't matter if the regulations have nothing to do with each other, they can still conspire to destroy the thing they were supposed to be improving.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The link tax is one thing, but I would say GDPR actually aids in price discovery, because without GDPR one side of the transaction has no idea what price they're paying.

0. The price anyone paid when their data was used was 0. There are 0 real-world negative consequences on anybody's personal lives due to their information being used by advertisers. They benefited for free.

I really wish I had enough karma to downvote this. Sure, using "free" ad funded services doesn't cost any money, but a price is still paid. Do you really think there is 0 possible consequences of every step you take both physical and virtual being persisted and replicated and mined ad infinitum? People think they pay with their attention, but they also pay with their privacy. Not the "my interests include fantasy football and romantic comedy" kind of privacy, but the "on June 4th I visited a gay bar 6 hours from home so no one would recognize me" kind. Then since you scrolled through Facebook while you were there, they start suggesting other people there as friends, and showing you ads based off of their interests.

Knowledge of who you associated with and what you do when no one you know is watching might not seem dangerous to you now in the western world living through the longest period of peace in Europe since the fall of the Roman empire, but that shit gets people killed. You don't have to look far back. You don't have to look far away either, shit happens today. How many people lost their lives in communist/fascist revolutions over the past century even, if only because "they associated with the enemy"? Can you imagine what the SS could have done with the kind of data that modern ad companies have?

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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post #71

If the sites don't want the traffic from links that drive their revenue then why don't they identify the servers which are prefetching content and IP ban them and file abuse complaints. They probably have very identifiable User-Agent strings. Also this link tax reminds me that I think browser vendors should provide better privacy options for removing the referer header from link requests to prevent tracking.

> They probably have very identifiable User-Agent strings

Yes. Because bots never change or spoof their user agents.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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GDPR and the proposed copyright laws will break the internet irrecoverably. The start-up industry will be a long forgotten dream. These old b@$%%%s will turn the internet into cable television. Scumbags would want to go back to a world of slavery, colonisation and wealth locked up as gold in personal treasuries. I hope all the other countries follow suit and then the only thing we will be able to aim for is a job in…

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Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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As public regulators all over the world are busy pushing regulations (what else? that is their sole job after all) maybe it is time to stop and ask: are we losing more than we are gaining? Everything has a price and free markets are the only mechanism for determining that price. But regulations overwrite that price with one determined by politics and lobby and populism. This new price is paid by all no matter if we w…

The link tax is one thing, but I would say GDPR actually aids in price discovery, because without GDPR one side of the transaction has no idea what price they're paying.

It's possible some sites will switch to paid if they feel the targeted ads model in untenable. Others will just disappear, so in that sense there will be no price discovery.

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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As public regulators all over the world are busy pushing regulations (what else? that is their sole job after all) maybe it is time to stop and ask: are we losing more than we are gaining? Everything has a price and free markets are the only mechanism for determining that price. But regulations overwrite that price with one determined by politics and lobby and populism. This new price is paid by all no matter if we w…

This seems like a greatly oversimplified view of things. Regulations are tools. They’re not inherently good or bad. It depends on how you use them. If the bad regulations outweigh the good, the solution isn’t to give up on regulation, it’s to cut the bad ones. It doesn’t make sense to lump together regulations on the acceptable amount of lead in drinking water, regulations on operations of a commercial airline, and r…

Realistically though its much, much harder to cut down on regulations than invent new ones. There is much more inertia one something is in place, because some people's jobs depend on regulating it / some businesses have already sunk money into complying / etc

Re: EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR and the proposed copyright laws will break the internet irrecoverably. Yeah but there's nothing wrong with that per se. It's the EU's choice to return to the stone age. There are Amish communities in the US where nobody has computers and their primary form of transportation is horses and buggies [1]. The rest of the world will simply move on, and like Amish communities, those in the EU that wish to participate i…

I'd argue the EU is "moving fast and breaking things" because the industry was incapable of self-regulating.

I think it's self regulating just fine. It's met the needs and desires of the majority. I just think Privacy advocates are a very vocal very small minority whom found themselves in power in Europe. Basically everyone save a select few would rather have the convenience Facebook has brought over the privacy GDPR tries to bring.

I assure you the majority would rather have free services than self righteous lack there of.

The majority do not want nor really care about Privacy to such an extent. The majority do not see themselves as easily manipulated, and do not see the harm.

I happen to agree and think the EU has killed the economy in the name of something no one really wants.

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