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Re: Devuan “ASCII” 2.0 Release Candidate is now available

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Post by newnewpdro » Thu, May 10, 2018, 9:18 PM UTC

andrewshadura wrote: post #50

nextos wrote: post #3

Devuan is basically Debian without systemd. While I still prefer to run Linux distributions with systemd (NixOS and Arch in particular), I'm increasingly worried about the complexity systemd brings in. I like how clean and standardized the init process is now. I don't like the bloat prize we've paid, though. I've been stracing my workstation for a few days. Journald starts eating a ton of RAM, ~100 MB upon boot, and…

> Devuan is basically Debian without systemd. You can already run Debian without systemd today. There's absolutely no need in the fragmentation Devuan creates.

I'm under the impression that Devuan's purpose is to actually progress into the future without systemd.

I am not under the impression that Debian strives to make progress on the systemd-less use case, it seems more like a minimally supported mode.

But it's not something I've investigated, so take that with a big grain of salt.

Re: Devuan “ASCII” 2.0 Release Candidate is now available

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Post by _jal » Fri, May 11, 2018, 12:25 AM UTC

freedomben wrote: post #5

_jal wrote: post #2

Great timing for me. Just got the last of the parts in to build a network audio player, waiting for the weekend to start on it. I'll use this instead of Raspian.

Why do you want to use sysvinit over systemd? Do you have init scripts already written that you don't want to port?

Several reasons, the largest of which is that I dislike systemd. I'm not going to rehash the arguments that have been had thousands of times, just put me in 'that' bucket.

Other reasons include that I like to support alternate distros, I'm curious as to how they've done with it so far, and this is a low-resource device so I don't want unnecessary junk like journald wasting cycles.

Re: Devuan “ASCII” 2.0 Release Candidate is now available

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Post by _jal » Fri, May 11, 2018, 12:47 AM UTC

newnewpdro wrote: post #7

_jal wrote: post #2

Great timing for me. Just got the last of the parts in to build a network audio player, waiting for the weekend to start on it. I'll use this instead of Raspian.

While I think it's great you have the option, it doesn't strike me as the best choice.

Thanks for sharing your carefully considered analysis.

Care to walk me through your minimax of the various tradeoffs that went into my design, including the janky custom software I'll run on it?

Re: Devuan “ASCII” 2.0 Release Candidate is now available

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Post by olakease » Thu, May 24, 2018, 7:48 AM UTC

krylon wrote: post #69

ryanpcmcquen wrote: post #44

Thank goodness for Slackware and Devuan.

If you dislike systemd, Void Linux might be worth looking into as well. And of course, Gentoo is still around, for those of us with too much time and too many spare CPU cycles on their hands. ;-)

Been using void for a couple of years. I could not be happier with it. I also need a non-systemd distro for production, found this project https://github.com/cloux/aws-devuan it's devuan + runit for aws.