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Re: Front-End Developer Handbook

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Post by manigandham » Sun, Apr 15, 2018, 9:23 PM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #70

manigandham wrote: post #69

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I'm not sure what the point of your comment is, but the large number of 3 month bootcamps that create frontend devs does seem to show that anyone can do it. I'm calling out the fact that the things you mentioned and the concepts behind them are not unique to frontend and certainly not even that complex. All it means is that the frontend landscape is finally catching up to traditional backend languages and dev practic…

Actually making things happen with the technologies is alot different than being able to spout general principles on how they work on the internet. Your trivialization of these technologies makes me think you're possibly a first/second year computer science student who's never actually worked with any of them and mainly read a modern javascript overview page on the web or a rundown in a textbook. Or just a troll!

Ok... but again, what does that have to do with frontend vs backend which is what this thread is about?

The concepts define the complexity, and my point is that they are nothing new so why would frontend be harder when it's only catching up to backend environments? No amount of buzzwords changes that.

Re: Front-End Developer Handbook

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Post by mixmastamyk » Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 4:48 AM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #62

jpd- wrote: post #18

"A developer who can code the front-end, back-end, API, and database isn't as absurd as it once was (excluding visual design, interaction design, and CSS). Still mythical in my opinion, but not as uncommon as it once was." I see this attitude expressed a lot among people who identify as "front end" developers and it seems like psychological projection to me. I would count myself and a number of close friends and asso…

Are you able to fully configure webpack? Do you know how to animate with CSS? Do you know Greensock? Three.js? Babel? The differences between ES5,6,7? Co.js? ES generators? Webassembly? Being able to hack out a little Js and css to make an Enterprise dashboard imo does not a front end or full stack developer make. I have one of those 'college degree' thingys and I'll tell you something....imo CORRECT front end develo…

Incidental vs. essential complexity.

Re: Front-End Developer Handbook

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Post by brandall10 » Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 3:31 PM UTC

olavgg wrote: post #64

brandall10 wrote: post #50

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Anti-MS sentiment is related to its business practices and perhaps dev community itself, not tooling. I've never seen a person who actually is familiar with Typescript say anything negative about it, and it has huge uptake in the open source community.

Oh Microsoft has also been involved with tooling, you know how they sold that SOAP crap. They made it complex by purpose, so you had to buy tools to work with SOAP. Ref Book: The New Kingmakers "It’s hard to feel too sorry for SOAP’s creators, however — particularly if what one Microsoft developer told Tim O’Reilly is true: “It was actually a Microsoft objective to make [SOAP] sufficiently complex that only the tools…

Ha... there are def many things they've been involved in that were questionable from that perspective, but I'd still put that under the domain of business practices.

I guess my take is overall they earned high marks from the dev community despite whatever misses they may have had over the years.