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World's first electrified road for charging vehicles opens in Sweden

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Re: World's first electrified road for charging vehicles opens in Sweden

#71

Slotcar track that has been scaled up, so: arcing, dangerous, will wear, finicky as hell and impossible to change lanes without losing contact. Probably not the best idea but props for trying.

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Re: World's first electrified road for charging vehicles opens in Sweden

#72

Why is this considered "the world's first electrified road for charging vehicles"? Compared to https://www.wired.com/2013/08/induction-charged-buses/ for example. Does induction based charging not count as electrified? Is it that the Korean one was for their buses only, not general passenger cars?

The difference is that the one you link has a few induction plates along the route while the other has rails from one end to the other. It's like saying "why do we need electric cars? We already have hybrids!" There are also buses around here that charge at special points along the route. That doesn't make the roads electrified though. Great job from Sweden, no matter if it is world first or not.

That's fair, thanks for the explanation. I legit didn't know the specifics of the Korean technology, just that I had heard the bus can get charge from the road while driving on it.

Re: World's first electrified road for charging vehicles opens in Sweden

#73
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It would never be everywhere at not in somewhere as vast as Europe or US. To jump on OPs bandwagon. It would make sense to have this on highways as opposed to surface streets. Distance is one of the limiting factors for a lot of people buying electric. In the US interstates are at least maintained by the Feds and are pretty standard in look and feel. It would probably be easier to implement nationwide.

Not going to work in the snow belt. Maintenance on this will be crazy.

Pretty sure Sweden gets snowy? :)

Re: World's first electrified road for charging vehicles opens in Sweden

#74

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Not going to work in the snow belt. Maintenance on this will be crazy.

Pretty sure Sweden gets snowy? :)

Pretty sure this tech demo will be shelved after they get tired of it breaking down.

Re: World's first electrified road for charging vehicles opens in Sweden

#76

This doesn't make much sense as an urban project, where chargers are close by, lane-switching is frequent, people are likely to be on the road, and which the article invites you to think about by comparing the cost to an urban tram. but it makes ton of sense for long-distance highway journeys, which is a problem that really needs solving before electric vehicles can be practical.

Even on highways, you wouldn't need this to be on 100% of the roads to be useful. You could have, say, a mile of charging rails for every ten miles of road and on lanes that go uphill.

I guess the limit comes down to how much power the rails can produce and how fast the vehicles can charge. If a vehicle can charge at N times the rate they use that energy at highway speeds, then it needs to have at least 1/N of the road populated with charging rails.

If this becomes a widely adopted standard, maybe car manufacturers will look into using a low-capacity battery that can accept high current as a buffer. (Maybe a supercapacitor?)

Re: World's first electrified road for charging vehicles opens in Sweden

#77
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But those rails are on otherwise off-limit tracks and 'third rail' solutions are notoriously dangerous. This system has the two rails closely spaced side-by-side so it may be a bit safer but in the presence of moisture it could be dangerous too. It's basically a scaled up version of a slot car track.

Highways are already off-limit and notoriously dangerous.

Unfortunately, we need to accommodate the future Darwin Award winners. Besides, there's dangerous, and then there's 'the government caused the death of someone who stepped on the highway'. Getting zapped, even mildly, would distract someone and decrease a person's chances of getting out of the way quickly.

Re: World's first electrified road for charging vehicles opens in Sweden

#78

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Pretty sure Sweden gets snowy? :)

Pretty sure this tech demo will be shelved after they get tired of it breaking down.

No way this is another thing they can tax.

Re: World's first electrified road for charging vehicles opens in Sweden

#79
post #52

This doesn't make much sense as an urban project, where chargers are close by, lane-switching is frequent, people are likely to be on the road, and which the article invites you to think about by comparing the cost to an urban tram. but it makes ton of sense for long-distance highway journeys, which is a problem that really needs solving before electric vehicles can be practical.

Although if you had this everywhere , you could probably do away with most of the batteries on electric cars, making them a lot cheaper and lighter.

At close to $1m per km though, it isn't going to be everywhere.

Re: World's first electrified road for charging vehicles opens in Sweden

#80

It would be cheaper and more easily scalable to fit more charging points in parking spaces at shopping centres, motorway service stations and so on. Why do we keep on inventing new complicated ways of doing things instead of standardising and exploiting the things that we already know work?

If electric vehicles only had to have a range of a few tens of km (similar to many existing plugin hybrids) they could be built dramatically cheaper. This would also be ideal for buses, lorries and similar.

Something like this? https://www.micro-mobility.com/en/experience-micro/microlino
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