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Re: Google can be forced to pull results globally, Canada supreme court rules

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Post by Spivak » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 4:29 AM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #44

jacksmith21006 wrote: post #22

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Google does not sell your personal data. They do use to Target ads but does not leave Google.

Google might not sell data wholesale, but they do sell it retail, so to speak. If I make an ad targeting gay dog owners in NYC, and someone clicks that ad, I know that Google knows they're a gay dog owner in NYC. Google sold me that person's data.

Or more succinctly, a lot of people don't really find a meaningful difference between selling data and selling access to or use of that data.

Re: Google can be forced to pull results globally, Canada supreme court rules

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Post by Spivak » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 4:32 AM UTC

emiliobumachar wrote: post #65

Analemma_ wrote: post #33

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They're going to do that anyway. Why should Canada abandon its own national sovereignty because of the actions of dictators on the other side of the world that would happen regardless?

It's going to be a lot harder for Google to refuse global censorship orders from countries you don't like when it's routinely taking global censorship orders from countries you like.

Sure, but it doesn't really change anything about the power dynamics. Any international company cannot afford to refuse a court order form a country they need to do business in.

Re: Google can be forced to pull results globally, Canada supreme court rules

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Post by Nomentatus » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 4:40 AM UTC

gruez wrote: post #30

Nomentatus wrote: post #26

Yes, the Canadian courts understand precisely how the internet works... through Canadian ISPs who can be forced block traffic from some companies and not others. The point of the ruling could be summarized this way: "If you wish to do business in Canada, with a web business that's visible in Canada, then there are certain practices you can't be guilty of elsewhere or in general." This isn't new. For example, it is co…

>but yes the principle is logically coherent and enforceable. sounds great and all until oppressive regimes use this to do censor content they don't like. how long until russia/china/iran sends a rubberstampped a court order to censor a politcal candidate's advertisements because [made up reason]?.

Russia is already extremely energetic in deciding who can and can't do business there, and who can run in elections (framed opposition leader in last election.) Ditto elsewhere. They aren't waiting for us. You have every right to discuss of the advisability of the courts ruling, I just note again that that wasn't something I offered an opinion on.

Re: Google can be forced to pull results globally, Canada supreme court rules

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Post by Nomentatus » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 4:42 AM UTC

emiliobumachar wrote: post #65

Analemma_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're going to do that anyway. Why should Canada abandon its own national sovereignty because of the actions of dictators on the other side of the world that would happen regardless?

It's going to be a lot harder for Google to refuse global censorship orders from countries you don't like when it's routinely taking global censorship orders from countries you like.

I agree, so I think there's at least room for a treaty between free countries as to what they could do to restrict internet traffic across borders, but won't. The European right to forget legislation, which I should have mentioned, makes any such agreement very tough, however, I suspect.

Re: Google can be forced to pull results globally, Canada supreme court rules

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Post by kahnpro » Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 12:15 PM UTC

endangered wrote: post #53

hunter23 wrote: post #45

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I think it's actually quite common for a country to dictate what it's citizens and companies can do outside of its borders. For example, * A US company can be prosecuted on corruption charges if it bribes an official out of its borders. This is even if what they do is not considered bribery in the country itself; you are bound to the US law even when you are doing business outside of it. The US has used this approach…

* That is a US company * The ban affects US companies * The taxes affect US citizens * The laws affect US citizens This has nothing to do with this decision. What Canada is aiming to do is to force a non-Canadian company to follow Canadian law even if it does not operate at all in Canada.

Then Google needs to close its Canadian offices, and stop providing services to Canadians.