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A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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Re: A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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1. We don't need a strong leader. Fascism and authoritarianism have zero interest in the privacy of citizens. Never had, never will. 2. Power corrupts, so the overall answer is: never.

Leadership != fascism. Change from below requires organization and coordination, and those things require leadership. Were MLK or Ghandi fascist, because they were effective leaders? Frankly, I find more of a fascistic tinge in the stock HN response to surveillance: - Governments will never do anything; democracy is not fit for purpose - A ‘natural elite’ of hacker Übermensch can avoid dystopia for themselves with ha…

Leadership != fascism

Leadership + time = fascism

Re: A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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There’s already quite a bit of legislation about how CCTV can be used in the UK. Our democracies have lots of problems, but they basically work, and on issues like this, the main issue is apathy. I’m a firm believer that if people are informed and they care legislation like the above could be enacted.

> on issues like this, the main issue is apathy Is it? Or is it the notion that if you scream about something you don't like enough, someone else will fix it, through legislation, so you can stop worrying about it ? And, of course, that legislation will work perfectly and never be abused or radically reinterpreted a generation down the line. I'm for the belief that if you don't like something then don't partake in it…

> is it the notion that if you scream about something you don't like enough, someone else will fix it, through legislation, so you can stop worrying about it?

This notion is often called collective action, and it’s how most of the social change of the last couple hundred years was achieved in the US (and elsewhere), from black people and women attaining the right to vote, to the end of child labor, to gay marriage, to the existence of weekends.

This 'screaming' is the basis of representative democracies; the system of government that we live under.

> if you don't like something then don't partake in it - short of it being something being physically forced on you.

In every country I'm aware of, surveillance of at least some physical space is non-optional, and could be called 'forced'. The dichotomy of "physically forced" and (by implication) 'voluntary' doesn't seem useful. Very few of the current and hypothetical problems with surveillance are because it's physically-forced on people; it's that a cost-benefit equation is engineered to make it practically irresistible.

Let’s say you’re a poor high-school student. To participate in classes you need to use the school issued Chromebook and an associated Google account. You could resist and not participate in class, but even given a full understanding of the privacy cost, this would be irrational and self-destructive. If you'd like to join your residents' association that may require a Facebook account, if you'd like to travel on an airplane that likely entails video-surveillance which will be used for facial recognition, if you take a job at a company with significant-IP (or not much cash), you're very likely to be working on a machine containing a surveillance-rootkit etc. etc. ad nauseam.

This article is about solutions to the societal problem of mass-surveillance (both from the state and industry). Retreating from society for your own protection (while things get worse for everyone else) is never going to be helpful for addressing the societal problem.

Perhaps you think the status quo is fantastic and shouldn't be changed. Perhaps you have the resources to live a puritanical life avoiding surveillance; I'm impressed! But the fact that you have the freedom to do so is a direct result of the collective action of others.

Re: A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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This seems like such a losing battle. Payments on public transit could become anonymous, but the video feeds would still be recorded, and facial recognition could be easily performed. The cat is out of the bag. Information technology makes this data accumulation inevitable. Likely even for those who walk around with a face covering all day, pay only cash, and don't use smartphones. By doing those things you actually…

Maybe the answer is to turn the dial to 11 on information sharing and require data transparency from managers/leaders/public servants who operate data accumulation outfits.

Track users' location data? Then your location must be public record & realtime. Etc.

At the end of the day, this is about information asymmetry. If the general public loses privacy, then so should those who benefit from that information, in order to level the playing field.

Re: A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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> Somewhere there must be an intelligent balance In practice though this is mostly biased towards the revenue of the company selling the goods, not towards your health requirements.

It's in the interests of the company to align those however - so these don't conflict. If your customer is healthier and lives longer because of your service, that is beneficial to both of you.

Good health of the customers benefits competitors too, so it's a type of commons. By the Tragedy of the Commons, it's in the company's interests to damage the health of their customers for short term profit. If they don't then a competitor will.

Re: A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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Leadership != fascism. Change from below requires organization and coordination, and those things require leadership. Were MLK or Ghandi fascist, because they were effective leaders? Frankly, I find more of a fascistic tinge in the stock HN response to surveillance: - Governments will never do anything; democracy is not fit for purpose - A ‘natural elite’ of hacker Übermensch can avoid dystopia for themselves with ha…

Leadership != fascism Leadership + time = fascism

Are you really implying that all groups of organized people are fascist sleeper cells?

That MLK and Gandhi were saved from their Hitlerism by assassination by heroic ethnic-separatists?

Re: A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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I think the point is that a vending machine doesn't need to do all those things to fulfill its purpose. Dollar goes in, soda comes out. Yes you can make a vending machine do that, but that's not the point.

What is the purpose of the vending machine, from the consumer point of view? Is its purpose to provide an oasis of snacky goodness to those who happen to encounter it while passing through? If so, then yes, all it needs is dollar in, item out. I'd argue, though, that vending machines that are in places where they are regularly encountered by the same people over and over again, such as vending machine in office build…

Nice idea, but you just created the echo chamber of soda pop, that gently restrains you within your existing habits. Substitute [liberal-slanted article] for Tab and [conservative-slanted article] for Dr. Pepper, and we've now invented the Facebook newsfeed.

Maybe Dave and Carol need to try some new soda flavors once in a while!

Re: A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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> Video cameras should make a local recording that can be checked for the next few weeks if a crime occurs, but should not allow remote viewing without physical collection of the recording. it would suck if the terrorist bomb also took out the cameras themselves. I have cameras at my house wired to a local unit. It's mostly for convenience and looking for animals and not very serious for security; any well-respecting…

The data could be stored encrypted on a VM and cycled off after {n} hours. With the right codecs and encryption, you could likely store a couple days of motion on a small amount of storage. If uploaded in chunks, you might miss a couple minutes prior to the unit being destroyed. I suppose protecting your internet uplink becomes important at this point.

Just store the encrypted files in AWS S3 (or equivalent)?

Re: A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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Well, the example given here is Transport for London, which is almost impossible to travel without using an Oyster smart card. So yes, pushing for legislation along the lines proposed in the article would make sense.

The Washington DC Metro switched over to their equivalent a few years back, the "Smartrip Card", retiring their previous paper with mag-stripe cards in the process. My 'solution' to not being tracked is that the Smartrip Card I was forced to then buy was bought with cash, and has only ever been refilled with cash. So their systems know that card # 828272823 (made up number) has traveled here or there (I don't use it…

You could just charge it up with a visa gift card or something, but (as others have pointed out) I'm betting that it's not nearly as anonymous as you think. If I'm a prosecutor trying to hang a charge on you and your Smartrip card is a key piece of evidence, all I need to do is correlate it a sufficiently tiny probability of being anyone but you and the jury will accept that.

Re: A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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> Payments on public transit could become anonymous, but the video feeds would still be recorded, and facial recognition could be easily performed. In the article Stallman explicitly proposes deleting such video recordings after a timeout, and forbidding facial reco without prior cause.

His first argument was that accumulation itself needs to be prevented. If security requires accumulation proceed, then the answer is that his vision of preventing accumulation is not really possible. How many times have we heard of large institutions suffering data breaches or failing to delete data that they are supposed to delete? Once it is accumulated, all bets are off.

Once again, The Fine Article has you covered. Stallman says when such logs are necessary, they should never be network accessible. Go get the disk out of the physically secured machine if you need the data for $SERIOUSREASON.

Re: A radical proposal to keep your personal data safe

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I love RMS but I'm not holding my breath waiting for any government laws to protect me. For what it's worth, neither is RMS, if you've read about how he uses the Internet. Let's keep building the free software tools so anyone can easily get the level of privacy they want for whatever they're trying to do. We've made so much progress but there's still so far to go. Do not to look UP to authority for hope - look AROUND…

One of the problems is that the software you run on your own computer hasn't been the major source of privacy concerns in a long, long time. That isn't to say that software on your computer doesn't track you, but it's dwarfed by the amount of tracking and privacy issues that you need to compromise on to use the vast majority of the internet. It's noble and laudable to take the same stance towards freedom and privacy…

> essentially check out of the modern internet, and reduce your web usage to calling wget on a shell

Minor nitpick, but he also uses icecat + Tor when needed

https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html (grep for icecat)

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