NTSB ‘unhappy’ with Tesla release of investigative information in fatal crash

Post by scott00 » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 1:57 AM UTC

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The problem with Tesla’s ‘autopilot’ is that it’s anything but. Asking drivers to keep their eyes on the road and hands on the wheel while not steering guarantees that their attention will wander, because their brain isn’t getting enough stimulus to keep focused on the task. I don’t know why it’s not clear to most people by now. The current Tesla ‘autopilot’ is simply more dangerous than manual driving because it har…

I am curious how do aircraft pilots got around this? Autopilot on aircraft work same as a Tesla drive a straight line where I aimed you have way less interaction than on the car. Yet pilots are able to take over autopilot and their responsibility during it's use is mostly looking out the window and occasionally switching frequency

Post by bordercases » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 2:04 AM UTC

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Background: My wife drives a Tesla Model S with AP. Inattentive drivers more than overconfident drivers. You look down and stare at your phone for 10 seconds in a normal car and you are punished pretty quickly and learn not to do it. You look down and start at your phone for 10 seconds in a Tesla with AP and "nothing bad happens" ... almost all of the time. And that's the problem with this version of AP. Yes, Tesla s…

The problem with Tesla’s ‘autopilot’ is that it’s anything but. Asking drivers to keep their eyes on the road and hands on the wheel while not steering guarantees that their attention will wander, because their brain isn’t getting enough stimulus to keep focused on the task. I don’t know why it’s not clear to most people by now. The current Tesla ‘autopilot’ is simply more dangerous than manual driving because it har…

Post by atomical » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 2:11 AM UTC

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> Then there is the question of whether the Uber-supplied video accurately represents the lighting conditions at the time... Why would that matter? The issue here is that the LIDAR system failed to detect the pedestrian.

It's of tremendous importance from the perspective of public perception of who's at fault. If the average observer watching the published video arrives at a conclusion of "well I would have hit that person too, she appeared out of nowhere in front of the car", it obviously matters.

Post by jackvalentine » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 2:59 AM UTC

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> It seems the local government or highway agency also neglected their duty to maintain the highway safety barrier, a shockingly regular occurrence where I live as well. I’ve wondered how often someone is injured because they failed to repair a barrier for several months. While the crash attenuators should exist and the various responsible authorities should maintain them appropriately, I find it frustrating that thi…

I understand what you’re saying completely. The point of highway safety equipment is usually as a last resort to minimize injury as much as possible, this is after markings, signage, drivers and vehicles have failed to prevent a crash. Obviously the crash should’ve been avoided, but poorly maintained or designed infrastructure should not be left out of the conversation.

Post by atomical » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 3:46 AM UTC

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It's not important at all. There's a bug in Uber's software. That's what we should be talking about.

It does seem that there is a problem with the vehicle's lidar or the associated software, so does it not strike you as strange that the story being pushed claimed that the victim "came out of the shadows", which is a misleading irrelevance if lidar is the primary sensing technology? Especially as the unrealistically dark video does not even seem to fit that story.