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Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by watwut » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 8:22 AM UTC

Zak wrote: post #47

watwut wrote: post #44

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Kids able to read and write enough for Facebook are remarkably safe around kitchen knife and cleaning chemicals. Teenagera are fully able to operate power tools.

Many, perhaps most are indeed. I think most teenagers are also able to use social media in ways that aren't harmful to them.

One difference is that while your safety around knife or tool depends only on you, your safety on social media can easily be ended by other people.

You don't have full control over social media you do have around cleaning and knives.

Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by pjc50 » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 8:57 AM UTC

primitur wrote: post #29

pjc50 wrote: post #16

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> assume that their personal lives are of interest to others Celebrities and self-promoters have existed forever. As have gossips. Generally people are interested in others' personal lives. > parental control This is going to be an endless battle, and will come with ludicrous comparisons to the various ages of personal responsibility. You can as easily end underage internet chatting as you can end underage drinking.

I'm not calling for its end. I'm calling for its control. And there is no better entity in all society than the family unit when it comes to social control. You can't effect change without control...

> And there is no better entity in all society than the family unit when it comes to social control

You say that like it's a good thing, when a lot of people believe that the final frontier of liberation is within the family - from domestic violence to the dismantling of anti-LGBT attitudes.

And, just to return to the original topic, the original article does not actually mention children. Even if we constrained social networks to those over 18 (they're currently supposed to be constrained to over-13), it wouldn't put much of a dent in the big problems. It's not (just) kids that are sharing antisemitic memes or fake news about immigrants. The dysfunctional politics of social media is an adult problem.

Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by primitur » Tue, Apr 03, 2018, 8:26 AM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #72

primitur wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not calling for its end. I'm calling for its control. And there is no better entity in all society than the family unit when it comes to social control. You can't effect change without control...

> And there is no better entity in all society than the family unit when it comes to social control You say that like it's a good thing, when a lot of people believe that the final frontier of liberation is within the family - from domestic violence to the dismantling of anti-LGBT attitudes. And, just to return to the original topic, the original article does not actually mention children. Even if we constrained soci…

>The dysfunctional politics of social media is an adult problem.

It wouldn't be so drastic if the family unit were not under attack by social movements hell bent on removing the last bastion against their attempts to introduce social upheaval. the family unit is a real and functioning means of social survival. Attacking the family unit because it is "the final frontier of liberation" is a highly contentious argument - it also happens to be the last bastion of true civilization. Once the family unit is deconstructed, civilization fails. This is demonstrated throughout the historical record.

Re: As Facebook Struggles, Rivals’ Leaders Stay Mostly Mum

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Post by kerkeslager » Wed, Apr 04, 2018, 4:55 PM UTC

mmjaa wrote: post #60

kerkeslager wrote: post #46

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Putting the focus on parents is a distraction. Obviously it's the responsibility of parents to monitor and regulate their childrens' internet usage. But that doesn't take any of the responsibility off of the social media companies for their attacks on attention and privacy. Social media companies can't just prey on people and then say, "It's not our fault--their parents should have protected them from us!"

I don't think the OP is saying that - its more that the solution to the real problem starts in the home. The problem is described as self-absorption and addiction to social validation - a product of modern family life, perhaps? Either way, as a parent I do believe I have a responsibility to raise my children to understand the need to balance the desire for social validation, with actual contribution to the social ord…

> Parents need to raise the next generation of humans to be wise to the ways of the wicked mind-control cults.

This is exactly what I'm disagreeing with. If you're putting the focus on parents needing to do something, you're creating an intractable problem. It's hard enough to get parents to do basic stuff like feed and supervise their children. At best, changing views on parenting changes the behavior of the parents who listen to modern views on parenting. There parents are likely not even the ones whose children are most affected. Approaching parents about this is only going to be preaching to the choir.

The solution as a society isn't getting parents to behave differently, it's not tolerating wicked mind-control cults.