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Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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Open source to the rescue. https://openwrt.org/toh/views/toh_available_864_ac-wifi

Problem with OpenWRT is that most people run it on garbage consumer-grade hardware.

As opposed to what, more expensive Ubiquiti hardware that uses the same processors and radios?

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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> The majority of differences between routers is just firmware and packaging, the guts are all the same. The firmware is the part you really have to worry about, though. But the proper solution is to simply never run the vendor's firmware on a consumer grade router, because none of them are any good at assembling and securing a Linux distribution.

> > The majority of differences between routers is just firmware and packaging, the guts are all the same. > > The firmware is the part you really have to worry about, though Professional quality routers often use ASICs to handle most of the processing, which is quite a bit faster, engineered to perform at specific workloads, and is more reliable. [1] Big iron gear are often specialized versions of blade servers. [2]…

I don't think Belkin/Linksys operates in those market segments. It doesn't appear that they have any rackmount routers at the moment, just a tiny VPN router and some rackmount Ethernet switches. The rest is WiFi routers that are unlikely to have any significant hardware acceleration beyond a built-in Ethernet switch with basic NAT capability. There's not much separation between data plane and control plane in those products.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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Just check if they are compatible with dd-wrt or openwrt and flash it with opensource build. Much easier than flashing cell phone and the open source version normally has more features also.

It's such a shame that when using OpenWRT everything runs as root...

OpenWRT is still trying to support devices with 8MB of storage, so they can't go overboard and start incorporating Docker or anything like that. But some services do run as separate users: on my routers, dnsmasq and avahi aren't running as root. What other services would you like to see isolated?

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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The only good Belkin product I have ever seen is their 12 outlet power strip. As a network engineer everything they make with an Ethernet/wifi interface is complete shit. But this is not really news, D-Link, Netgear, many of their competitors are also junk.

That's kind of the curse of the consumer market. When it comes to that kind of appliance, consumers care about sticker price above all. It's a brutal race to the bottom.

I worked at Meraki, and institutionally we were deathly scared of dealing with that market; we were perfectly happy to stay in the enterprise market, where buyers were actually willing to pay for quality.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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> > The majority of differences between routers is just firmware and packaging, the guts are all the same. > > The firmware is the part you really have to worry about, though Professional quality routers often use ASICs to handle most of the processing, which is quite a bit faster, engineered to perform at specific workloads, and is more reliable. [1] Big iron gear are often specialized versions of blade servers. [2]…

You can see an open source version of "big iron" networking gear, both hardware [1] and software [2]. They also use ASICs for most of the work and run Linux on the host CPU (so they can be managed like normal servers). [1] https://code.facebook.com/posts/843620439027582/facebook-ope... [2] https://github.com/facebook/fboss

> Our Wedge top-of-rack switch follows this basic design and uses a single Broadcom Trident II ASIC

The chassis may be open-source but the guts of that thing is a (high-end Broadcom chip, just like everyone else.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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> best known for manufacturing practically everything in the world

Huh? I thought they manufacture iPhone chips and that's it. Now they buy peripherals because iphone itself won't make enough profit growth anymore to give top management the multi-million-dollar bonuses they are used to.

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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Foxconn is Taiwanese like Asus, Acer, Gigabyte, MSI, MediaTek, D-Link, and HTC. Both Asus and D-Link are major router makers as well. Also fun fact, nearly all routers use the same chips from Boardcom. The majority of differences between routers is just firmware and packaging, the guts are all the same.

It's a RoC

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Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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If you want good quality third party chargers and USB cables - buy Anker

If Anker is so great, why don't they have TÜV/CCC/UL certified power supplies?

Process of certification is heavy on cash, need some weird certifications? Price of products will increase and customers will be hurt as a result (just to make some minor portion of customers happy).

Re: Foxconn buys Belkin for $866M

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If Anker is so great, why don't they have TÜV/CCC/UL certified power supplies?

Process of certification is heavy on cash, need some weird certifications? Price of products will increase and customers will be hurt as a result (just to make some minor portion of customers happy).

I don't buy it. As long as their products aren't certified, I won't buy them. Besides when you look at the reviews on Amazon, some of their chargers allegedly catch fire or start to smell like burning plastic...
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