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Is Facebook Really Scarier Than Google?

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Re: Is Facebook Really Scarier Than Google?

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Your ISP tracking your every move is scarier than all of them after the ISP privacy bill passed. At least Facebook and Google give you something for it and you can route around them if you desire. No routing around ISPs unless you use a VPN but even then they are blocking those. Broadband/cable/telcos capture everything you do and can now sell that information and do[1]. That bill was the pre-cursor to removing net n…

Very few ISPs can track you no matter where you physically go, as your mobile, home, and work ISPs are likely all different. And ISPs are regional, none carry the level of threat of Facebook or Google. Of course, when states tried to reintroduce privacy protections... That covered ISPs and tech companies alike... Big tech stepped in and opposed. They weren't interested in protecting users, they just didn't want the c…

> Very few ISPs can track you no matter where you physically go, as your mobile, home, and work ISPs are likely all different. And ISPs are regional, none carry the level of threat of Facebook or Google.

True, all tracking/privacy issues are bad but you can still route around Google/Facebook with simple things even such as hosts file loopbacks, browser extensions, using Firefox instead of Chrome and using different search/social networks.

Google and Facebook are blockable, ISPs can never be blocked.

Even with a VPN you are still going through an ISP gateway with that encrypted traffic and performing DNS lookups. This will lead to throttled bandwidth, can Google and Facebook throttle you down? Facebook/Google/etc have zero control over you if you want, ISPs always got your information.

ISPs can also track entire companies now, Facebook and Google do it by individual but ISPs capture everything, you always have to connect to an ISP.

The privacy overreach by ISPs is immense due to not being able to choose to be tracked, and they are lower on the service level as they are the base entry to the web.

ISPs are your entry/gateway to the internet and now track you and can sell your data, Facebook/Google ride on top of that. ISPs could also crush others tracking, replace ads in place of other networks which was in the bill, and will squash any small/medium advertising networks outright.

ISP tracking and privacy overreaches are definitely the biggest encroachment on internet freedom ever and much more of a problem than destination/apps built on it that you have to go to or can route around.

ISPs also bought/bribed their way into this monopoly reach, they did not earn it with providing products people desire, they have local monopolies with false competition that lessen the ability of people to change providers.

Re: Is Facebook Really Scarier Than Google?

#73
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If FB goes down for one day it is a minor inconvenience. If Google goes down for one day, I am literally at a standstill. No Maps, no Search, no GMail, no YouTube, no Photos! I don't know how I will get through the day without these services :( As such, with Google, I am more than ok them using my data to target me ads since it does feel a mutually beneficial relationship.

> As such, with Google, I am more than ok them using my data Woah, that was a very different conclusion than I was expecting. The post builds up to how terribly dependent you are, but concludes with "so I'm very happy". I see your reasoning and your point, but don't forget what kind of relation this is (where you pay very little to nothing for most services, money-wise...).

I am happy to pay them money or pay with data. Choose your thing. We can't just keep on operating in a world where everything is free and we don't want targeted ads.

And I never used "I'm so very happy". This is where biases come in. My goal was to say that Google services are very useful (to me) and I am ok if in return I have to give them my data.

Re: Is Facebook Really Scarier Than Google?

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If FB goes down for one day it is a minor inconvenience. If Google goes down for one day, I am literally at a standstill. No Maps, no Search, no GMail, no YouTube, no Photos! I don't know how I will get through the day without these services :( As such, with Google, I am more than ok them using my data to target me ads since it does feel a mutually beneficial relationship.

With Mapquest, DuckDuckGo, Protonmail, AOL Videos and imgUrl?

Good luck to you trying to use these.

Re: Is Facebook Really Scarier Than Google?

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If FB goes down for one day it is a minor inconvenience. If Google goes down for one day, I am literally at a standstill. No Maps, no Search, no GMail, no YouTube, no Photos! I don't know how I will get through the day without these services :( As such, with Google, I am more than ok them using my data to target me ads since it does feel a mutually beneficial relationship.

When you realize how dependent you are on one company, why not work to reduce that? Their policies could change at any time. Or you could get banned. It's worth the effort to diversify your resources and ensure you have a backup plan.

I don't see anything wrong in it. I don't have strong qualms on protecting every part of my online or offline presence. In fact I like that I get targeted with better ads which might be more relevant to me. And Google also benefits by making higher ad revenue (based on my data) which they reinvest in the product to make it better. I don't see a problem here at all.

Re: Is Facebook Really Scarier Than Google?

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As such, with Google, I am more than ok them using my data Woah, that was a very different conclusion than I was expecting. The post builds up to how terribly dependent you are, but concludes with "so I'm very happy". I see your reasoning and your point, but don't forget what kind of relation this is (where you pay very little to nothing for most services, money-wise...).

I am happy to pay them money or pay with data. Choose your thing. We can't just keep on operating in a world where everything is free and we don't want targeted ads. And I never used "I'm so very happy". This is where biases come in. My goal was to say that Google services are very useful (to me) and I am ok if in return I have to give them my data.

I'm very happy to pay them, just like a utility.

Re: Is Facebook Really Scarier Than Google?

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post #68

Your ISP tracking your every move is scarier than all of them after the ISP privacy bill passed. At least Facebook and Google give you something for it and you can route around them if you desire. No routing around ISPs unless you use a VPN but even then they are blocking those. Broadband/cable/telcos capture everything you do and can now sell that information and do[1]. That bill was the pre-cursor to removing net n…

Sorry to sidetrack here -- but any good recommendations for paid VPNs?

Private Internet Access is a common one but there are many. Torrent Freak always has the latest and any encroachments as torrent users are usually the most adamant about privacy.

https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-services-keep-anonymous-2018/

Re: Is Facebook Really Scarier Than Google?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am happy to pay them money or pay with data. Choose your thing. We can't just keep on operating in a world where everything is free and we don't want targeted ads. And I never used "I'm so very happy". This is where biases come in. My goal was to say that Google services are very useful (to me) and I am ok if in return I have to give them my data.

I'm very happy to pay them, just like a utility.

That makes sense. I will do it as well if advertising wasn't a model. In some ways, YouTube already allows that with Red.

I wonder how many people are like you though outside the tech forums and especially in developing countries (where a lot of the users for US based tech companies come from).

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