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Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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Oh, poor Mark! Such a patsy is the perfect scapegoat. /s The company he founded reflects his work ethics. Personally I don't care that much when the bully starts being bullied. You reap what you sow.

From the early days:

Sourced from http://www.businessinsider.com/embarrassing-and-damaging-zuc...

ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard

ZUCK: just ask

ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns

FRIEND: what!? how'd you manage that one?

ZUCK: people just submitted it

ZUCK: i don't know why

ZUCK: they "trust me"

ZUCK: dumb fucks

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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All the terms and templates we are using legally and in the media... they are painting a totally (imo) misleading picture. FB's "crime" is painted as data security. The "criminals" are trump, Bannon, Putin or whoever is alleged to have used this data to "manipulate public opinion." This misses the entire point. FB's business model is based on using large datasets of mundane (in isolation) information in order to "pro…

As I understand it, the Trump campaign mostly used Facebook's in house ad targeting services. In contrast to the Clinton campaign that relied on their own data team for targeting. It's hard to get a read on it, but there are plenty of people slagging Cambridge Analytica as being pretty worthless.

Maybe he's just overtooting his own horn, but CA's CEO claimed differently:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/cambridge-analytica-claimed-...

> In the video posted by Channel 4, Nix is heard saying that the company did much of the work behind Trump's campaign, which resulted in a shocking upset victory over Hillary Clinton in November 2016.

> "We did all the research, all the data, all the analytics, all the targeting," Nix says on the video. "We ran all the digital campaign, the television campaign, and our data informed all the strategy."

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

#73
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It's like how the 2008 election didn't count, because Obama is actually a Kenyan. People can't just lose an election anymore.

...which is ironic, since due to that same polarization, Presidents in general seem to have less ability (or maybe it's inclination) than ever, to effect any meaningful change about anything that matters. It doesn't matter who's President.

> It doesn't matter who's President.

It absolutely matters when something goes wrong outside our borders.

If, hypothetically speaking, a small NATO country on Russia's border devolves into chaos thanks to, say, a massive power grid failure combined with agitation from Russian nationalists, and Russia then intervenes to "stabilize" the situation, the temperament of the president and coherence of the White House as a whole would make a great deal of difference in how the crisis evolves.

Purely hypothetical, of course.

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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I like to talk about social issues and politics and stuff but the more I do it in public the more I run into what feels like "politics-as-basketball." It's really begun to feel like team sports as opposed to a critical analysis of conditions and power analysis.

As someone in their mid-twenties, I have to ask the older HNers: has it always been this "stupid," so vitriolic and hateful? If not, when did it become this way?

I think maybe it has, and each of us doesn't notice it when we're younger and we think that we're really arguing about principles. Before Trump Derangement Syndrome (Russia!) there was Obama Derangement Syndrome (Kenya!); before that there was Bush Derangement Syndrome; before that there was Clinton Derangement Syndrome; before that Reagan Derangement Syndrome (Oliver Sacks even included a bit in his book The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat which alleged that there are people with a neurological condition which causes them to detect lies, who couldn't watch Mr. Reagan speak because everything he said was a lie; if true this would have been quite an amazing discovery …), and so on & so forth.

And of course a lot of this wasn't entirely unfounded. Mr. Obama really was the first anti-American president; Mr. Bush really was incompetent; Mr. Clinton really was a perjurer, philanderer, power-abuser & possible rapist; Mr. Reagan really did lie a lot (e.g. Iran-Contra); Mr. Carter really was incompetent; Mr. Nixon really was a crook; Mr. Johnson really was a crook &c. &c. &c.

The fact that we keep on electing compromised, power-hungry people to a position of extreme power is no doubt part of the problem, but even back when the presidency was far weaker you had the partisans of Jefferson & Adams maligning one another with language we would be shocked at today.

The only recent American president I can think of who was mostly decent was probably Gerald Ford, who never ran for the position. Maybe that's the secret.

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5520303/Obama-campai... "'They were on our side': Obama campaign director reveals Facebook ALLOWED them to mine American users' profiles in 2012 because they were supportive of the Democrats" Is this news in the USA?

I quick scan through the news search engine finds that almost exclusively right wing sources publish on this. Be critical about such news articles.

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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post #22

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I like to talk about social issues and politics and stuff but the more I do it in public the more I run into what feels like "politics-as-basketball." It's really begun to feel like team sports as opposed to a critical analysis of conditions and power analysis.

As someone in their mid-twenties, I have to ask the older HNers: has it always been this "stupid," so vitriolic and hateful? If not, when did it become this way?

No it was never this vitriolic or hateful

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

#78
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As evidenced by the gerrymandered districts intended to do things like sway presidential elections. Clearly the system is working as designed and not being cheated...

How does one use gerrymandering to sway a presidential election?

Nothing in the short run, but I think an argument could be made that gerrymandering in the age when digital technology has enabled very precise calculations to be made has engendered a completely dysfunctional political system.

And that completely dysfunctional political system certainly played a role in the last election.

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

#79
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As someone in their mid-twenties, I have to ask the older HNers: has it always been this "stupid," so vitriolic and hateful? If not, when did it become this way?

It has, but it's never been so easy to spout off to the world before, or be instantly informed about what other people are thinking. In the 1980s the media hated Reagan about as much as they hated Bush or Trump. Before that it was Nixon. But you really only heard about it if you watched the evening news, and that was 30 minutes of the day. It wasn't being fed to you continuously like an intravenous drip on your phone…

I'd disagree and say through the Bush Clinton Bush Obama period it wasn't as bad. I guess the levels of stupid vitriolic and hateful come and go. The world has definitely gone through worse phases as well, see the 1930s for example.

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5520303/Obama-campai... "'They were on our side': Obama campaign director reveals Facebook ALLOWED them to mine American users' profiles in 2012 because they were supportive of the Democrats" Is this news in the USA?

I quick scan through the news search engine finds that almost exclusively right wing sources publish on this. Be critical about such news articles.

So what about left wing published news? Automatically becomes legit? By the way, I didn't know that site was right or left.
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