I hope everyone realizes the "War on Science" is being marketed to a specific demographic the same way the "War on Christmas" was. If you rolled your eyes then...
I'm not familiar with the War on Christmas. Can you elaborate.
Author Simon Singh Puts Up a Fight in the War on Science
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Re: Author Simon Singh Puts Up a Fight in the War on Science
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The IPCC has 3 panels from what I remember: the scientific stuff, the effect these will have on society, and ways to prevent them. The former gives proper scientific assessment but the later two less so. One of the problem of the IPCC is that many of its complains came from mistakes in the latter two groups, but they cast a shadow of doubt to the first one (the scientific one) despite the three groups have little c…
1) I had to Google this, but I don't think James Hansen was part of IPCC 2) I agree scientist are people too: you need to distinguish between their work (e.g. their papers) and the rest of their lives. Only the formers have to undergo scientific scrutiny. Outside of that they are normal people like everyone else. 3) When a scientist speaks about something which is not his field, of course his titles and such don't co…
Hansen wasn't the only climate scientist who expressed that point of view.
Also, the "jail them" sentiment isn't uncommon among the IPCC.
I'd like to see evidence that the IPCC scientists decried such stuff, or, better yet, the "beyond the science" proclamations, but I don't expect it because that almost never happens when science and policy are mixed.
And that's a shame, because policy is a place where we desparately need the best science. Instead, we get the worst science, reserving the best science for things that don't have much impact on human lives.
Re: Author Simon Singh Puts Up a Fight in the War on Science
#73I hope everyone realizes the "War on Science" is being marketed to a specific demographic the same way the "War on Christmas" was. If you rolled your eyes then...
Re: Author Simon Singh Puts Up a Fight in the War on Science
#74The "evidence" about a link between chiropractic care and asthma was not tested with such rigor. Similarly, virtually all of the evidence suggesting anthropogenic global warming is published by the same people who collect the data. They willfully ignore counter evidence and they rely on loads of proxy data that can easily be manipulated. If you haven't read Michael Crichton's essay on global warming, I highly recommend it. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122603134258207975.html
Re: Author Simon Singh Puts Up a Fight in the War on Science
#75Not necessarily true.
Things like astrology, alternative healing, etc. have been there for thousands of years and they just don't seem to be going away.
Roger Penrose makes some very interesting remarks on origins of these in his book "The Road to Reality". He says that ancient humans observed the influence the Sun had on their lives (day/nights, seasons, etc.) and also of the moon (tides, etc.). And there came a wrong inference that "all" heavenly objects have such an influence (astrology). He also speculates ancient humans figuring out geometrical shapes and finding naturally occurring crystals having those perfect shapes. And there came another wrong inference that such perfect natural objects must have powers to cure all that is not perfect (crystal healing).
More than a few thousands of years later, going from development of first scientific thought process in human beings (e.g.: astronomy) all the way to today, plenty of people still believe in these things (e.g.: astrology).
The third thing Penrose mentions amongst some of the first things humans learned is earth being flat, which again was a wrong inference (looks flat at human scales, must be flat at larger scales too). It took so much pain to fix this and that could only be done because a very simple evidence could ultimately be produced that everyone could see and understand by seeing a single photograph (of the round earth taken from the space). (Aside: And now humans wonder if the universe is flat. Penrose has beautifully connected some most ancient things in the human thought process to the most modern ones.)
I doubt such simple evidence is ever going to come against astrology and alternative healing, for one that it would be a lack of evidence instead. What was a "photograph" of a "round" earth there, would here be a "plot" of an uncorrelated variable (say improvement in health) against dependent variable (use of crystals) showing a "round" blob (no correlation) instead of a round earth. Just that this time, majority of humans are not able to follow (what some of us call) such simple a plot!
Re: Author Simon Singh Puts Up a Fight in the War on Science
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Nice to hear. I own all three of his science books and they are excellent. I wish someone else had spent five years fighting libel charges, and he had spent five years writing new books.
Three? Which are you missing? The Code Book, Fermat's Last Theorem, Big Bang or Trick or Treatment (with Edzard Ernst)?
Re: Author Simon Singh Puts Up a Fight in the War on Science
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"On the other hand, things like climate science seem (to me at least) to rely much more on the argument from authority for gaining lay support." Have you looked at any of the actual research? It sounds more like you're criticizing the very pseudo-science that the climate science community is battling. The actual researchers are using a combination of meteorological models, telemetry (if you've seen the film "Twister"…
I'm sure there is a lot of good science happening in climatology. I'm not so sure, however, how much of the sound science is of the predictive variety, and how much is merely concerned with historical reconstructions. Being able to do the latter doesn't give you the ability to do the former, especially if the system is complex enough / chaotic. What I definitely can take issue with is the way the science is presented…
One is that the scientists tend not to counter the pseudo-scientific idiocy that's rampant -- even though it's mind-numbingly obvious to anyone who isn't a complete idiot that it's pure BS with Star Trek style technobabble strewn throughout, the technobabble without any real science to counter it convinces the unwashed masses. The scientists would be doing themselves a huge favor if they spoke out more.
Which leads to point 2, which is that exactly the same organizations that fund a lot of that science are also going out of their way to muddle the message and stifle the scientists. NOAA has actually been intentionally altering the messages that the scientists have been releasing, and also preventing the scientists from speaking with anyone directly.
Combine that with the press and the government intentionally working to hide the message, and it's no surprise that most of what you end up seeing is pseudo-science rather than real science. It's not much different from the government's claims that the Gulf oil spill is 75% cleaned up...
http://www.amazon.com/Storm-World-Hurricanes-Politics-Warmin...