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Telegram has raised an initial $850M for its billion-dollar ICO

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Re: Telegram has raised an initial $850M for its billion-dollar ICO

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It is. I hope they don't do the same thing with their code for whatever they're making.

What do you mean by "it is"? The Telegram client is open source.

Client doesn't mean everything. In applications like these, there shouldn't be even a single binary blob without code for it.

To their credit, they said they will, but this[1] has been on their website since a very long time.

[1]:https://telegram.org/faq#q-why-not-open-source-everything

Re: Telegram has raised an initial $850M for its billion-dollar ICO

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Apologies if I ask stupid questions, but can someone explain me the relationhsip between the tokens created in ICO and ethereum (or bitcoin)? I mean, are these new tokens completely indpendent (economical) entities with no connection to the value of other cryptocurrencies, or do they somehow derive value from ethereum? To put this in practical terms, if I want to raise money via an ICO and promise that you can use a…

The new tokens are completely independent of other tokens. Buying at ICO, you’re acquiring tokens that you hope will have value once the system is up and running. I’m sure you could do that somehow, but I don’t believe anyone has done it.

But isn't there some link between ICO and traditional cryptocurrencies? I thought the transactions are somehow logged to e.g. ethereum blockchain?

Re: Telegram has raised an initial $850M for its billion-dollar ICO

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One of the wealthiest russians Roman Abramovich invested about $300M in Telegram. https://en.crimerussia.com/oligarchs/roman-abramovich-invest...

That's really bad if it's true. When thugs invest in technology there are many other risks besides reputation, trust, etc.

Re: Telegram has raised an initial $850M for its billion-dollar ICO

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Other than the people at the top laundering money, I don't see how anyone could get tricked into putting any money into this.

We now live in a world where you can have two products side by side, where one has any of "Crypto" "Block" Coin" or "Chain" in their name or description and the other does not, where both products do the exact same thing, and have one of them raise billions of dollars overnight from VCs and the other one not get a single upvote on the new page of HN.

We truly live in a post-informational time. Everything is emotion. Nothing is about rationalization or sense or an actual understanding of how something works. Because we don't know how the thing worked, the numbers got giant, and we want giant numbers too. So if you use the same words as the thing we will plow money into you like no tomorrow because we still don't understand the thing but we see 1000x profit in 5 years.

Re: Telegram has raised an initial $850M for its billion-dollar ICO

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It’s launching an airline by pre-selling miles. Sure, you might have 1,000,000 miles and Platinum status on that new airline, the boarding passes are on the blockchain, but the airline gets to control the mile redemption rates and status privileges for that Platinum level.

Also if people redeem these miles, wouldn't it bankrupt the airline or at least significantly affect its profitability?

It you control the redemption rate then you can just force redemptions below some level that keeps you profitable.

Airlines do this already, frequent flyer-eligible tickets are a small portion of the overall tickets available, blackout dates, etc...

Re: Telegram has raised an initial $850M for its billion-dollar ICO

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GP may have selected GOOG because it does not pay a dividend (like BRK.A).

Are you saying BRK.A pays a dividend?

No sorry I see how that was confusingly worded... GOOG does not pay a dividend, much like BRK.A does not pay a dividend. I'm sure there are other stocks that don't, I just can't think of any others off the top of my head.

Majority of stocks pay dividends, but some double digit percentage do not.

Re: Telegram has raised an initial $850M for its billion-dollar ICO

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The new tokens are completely independent of other tokens. Buying at ICO, you’re acquiring tokens that you hope will have value once the system is up and running. I’m sure you could do that somehow, but I don’t believe anyone has done it.

But isn't there some link between ICO and traditional cryptocurrencies? I thought the transactions are somehow logged to e.g. ethereum blockchain?

Most tokens are implemented by ethereum contracts, because it is the simplest way to implement such thing, but they don't have to be.

Re: Telegram has raised an initial $850M for its billion-dollar ICO

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In this case "private" have nothing to do with the code license. Problem with Telegram is that protocol and cryptography they use is their own. They might use better reviewed protocol like one of Signal, but they didn't. No need to explain what dangers same strategy going to cause with cryptocurrencies.

Was the Signal protocol reviewed in 2013 when Telegram was launched? It seems it was developed in 2013. I'd say the biggest problem with Telegram is the fact that E2EE isn't enabled by default and no one (that I've chatted with) uses it.

People will tell you, that there is big gaping crypto vulnerability in Telegrams client-server crypto because it is not secure under CCA. In fact this is only certificational weakness (ie. attacker can replace message with different ciphertext that encodes exactly same message). The crypto is somewhat weird, but it is clear that motivation for the weirdness is getting small ciphertexts.
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