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React Native and Yoga Both Given MIT Licence by Facebook

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Re: React Native and Yoga Both Given MIT Licence by Facebook

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Post by hultner »

schrep wrote: post #40
zitterbewegung wrote: post #7

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Of course it hurt their software adoption rate. You have very public spats by wordpress and apache over this. Think of people who couldn't convince their boss to use react / react-native because the legal department saw that PATENTS file and said NO WAY. I think they are making these moves because they see that they are going to be in a weaker position in the future and need to open their grip on these projects to ma…

Actually we just thought it was a shame that people wouldn’t use it because of the license. Not much more complicated than that.

I believe there charges shows not only well intention but also that Facebook actually cares about and listens to the community, which in the long term is many times more valuable for the ecosystem then this particular change in itself.

Great work!

Re: React Native and Yoga Both Given MIT Licence by Facebook

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Post by matte_black »

okanesen wrote: post #69
matte_black wrote: post #66

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And what is this next JavaScript framework?

I think next in this case was meant like any other framework (Vue or Angular with NativeScript) which is available and doesn't have the license issue, which React had.

Except now React doesn’t have a license issue, so they took a step backward for nothing. Heads must be rolling.

Re: React Native and Yoga Both Given MIT Licence by Facebook

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Post by tomxor »

Does MIT encompass BSD?

If it doesn't then surely they can't just re-license code that was contributed by others without their permission.

I'm not fundamentally against this and I doubt anyone cares in practice, it just doesn't seem right in terms of the contributor's rights.

Re: React Native and Yoga Both Given MIT Licence by Facebook

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Post by mlsarecmg »

purerandomness wrote: post #26
mwcampbell wrote: post #15

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What's the next JavaScript framework for non-web mobile apps though?

Oh, it's 2018, nobody uses React Native anymore. We're using Weex [1] or NativeScript [2] now. [1] https://weex.incubator.apache.org/ [2] https://www.nativescript.org/

You mean, you do that? I don't get it otherwise.

http://www.npmtrends.com/react-native-vs-weex-toolkit

Native is hard, React needed years to get it even nearly right, and it did that with the community's backing. At this point RN features dozens of renderers outside of the mobile space, with some of them made by the very vendors that sell their platforms (for instance Microsofts react-native-windows).

A couple of them here: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUF19IlXcAE2UC6.jpg:large

Can't imagine why anyone would willingly want to wait another 4-5 years until Weex is where RN is today.

Re: React Native and Yoga Both Given MIT Licence by Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

bad_user wrote: post #50
tomelders wrote: post #36

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More importantly, you have more protection with the BSD+Patent Grant than with BSD alone. With BSD alone, if you infringe on a Facebook patent then you are vulnerable to legal action from Facebook if they deem that you’ve infringed your patent. And regardless of wether you’d infringed or not, such action would still cost a lot of money to fight in court and would cripple most businesses. People who claim it risks giv…

Please leave such opinions to actual lawyers. Apache placed React's BSD + PATENTS in "Category-X", banning it from being used in Apache projects: https://react-etc.net/entry/apache-foundation-bans-use-of-fa... > The BSD+Patent Grant was designed to combat the patent trolls, but people lost their minds and now it’s gone. It was designed for Facebook to fight patent trolls, but not for you. In comparison with saner lic…

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Re: React Native and Yoga Both Given MIT Licence by Facebook

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Post by Sacho »

bsimpson wrote: post #51
dikaiosune wrote: post #47

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Since it wasnt clear from my post above, I buy all of this. But since IANAL, and I couldn't easily find a credible patent lawyer who has written publicly about this, I think it's reasonable to be measured in the claims I made. That said, you're obviously personally more familiar with the situation and having seen you around here before I'd give some weight to what you're saying. It's still a shame that it's difficult…

You're replying to a lawyer in the Open Source Program Office at Google: https://www.pli.edu/Content/Faculty/Daniel_Berlin/_/N-4oZ1z1... If there's anyone I'd expect to have a handle on open source law, it's him.

While I love reading DannyBee's opinions and am inclined to believe what he says, it's unfair to shoot down parent with an argument from authority; DannyBee did not actually cite any cases to highlight the precedent on implicit patent grants, which is exactly parent's point - it is very difficult to find publicly available information on this, aside from informal commentary.

Re: React Native and Yoga Both Given MIT Licence by Facebook

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Post by ngrilly »

akie wrote: post #68
schrep wrote: post #40

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Actually we just thought it was a shame that people wouldn’t use it because of the license. Not much more complicated than that.

Someone on Reddit argued that the new legal situation is worse because the PATENTS clause provided protection against litigation unless you sued Facebook first. Licensing under MIT, s/he argued, theoretically opens you up to litigation at any time IF Facebook decides to enforce any patents. So I was wondering: as far as you know, does Facebook have any patents on React or React Native?

Some lawyers think the language used in the MIT license implies a patent grant limited to the use of the licensed software. They think it would be difficult for the licensor to give a license on the software from one hand, and claim a patent infringement on the same software from the other hand, but as far as I know, this was never tested in court.

Re: React Native and Yoga Both Given MIT Licence by Facebook

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Post by simonlc »

tomxor wrote: post #74

Does MIT encompass BSD? If it doesn't then surely they can't just re-license code that was contributed by others without their permission. I'm not fundamentally against this and I doubt anyone cares in practice, it just doesn't seem right in terms of the contributor's rights.

If you contribute to fb open source you need to sign a CLA: https://code.facebook.com/cla/individual
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